Why don't we hear about the Bible's Antichrist verses?

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  1. Talon

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    MAGA is a political slogan. It is incapable of believing anything.
     
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    Biden isn't the good guy. And the liberal medias allegations about Trumps personal life isn't the Trump campaigns or Republican party's platform for the presidency or for the nation.
     
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    Biden is not evil. Trump always acts evil, like a mob boss with a grudge. Trump is a "man of lawlessness" (not alleged but documented by many indictments and convictions) as we have all seen. He is also the "man of sin" (documented) and "son of perdition."

    "I considered the horns, and there came up among them another little horn...in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things [MAGA] - Daniel 7:8

    Trump is God's "little horn" (trumpet), the "trumpet of God," who is also the Antichrist. Below are 2 verses from the King James Version, which was published in 1611, so it was not edited recently by a never-trumper.

    1 Corinthians 15:52 - "In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed."

    1 Thessalonians 4:16 - "For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:"
     
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    ... never admit a fault or wrong; never accept blame; concentrate on one enemy at a time; blame that enemy for everything that goes wrong; take advantage of every opportunity to raise a political whirlwind."
    Analysis of the Personality of Adolph Hitler
    Big lie - Wikipedia


    "There's a beautiful word, and it's called disinformation." - Trump

    "...when the transgressors are come to the full, a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up." - Daniel 8:23

     
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    "If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic, and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State."

    - Joseph Goebbels
     
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    All of this is true......

    but I have to admit that I am of the belief that Isaiah chapters forty two, forty three, forty four, forty five and forty six......

    to at least some degree are relevant to what President Donald J. Trump has accomplished......

    but....... human beings who are very good at a Wrap Up Smear may turn all of this information upside down..... and inside out........

    which........

    three thousand Jewish soldiers ... [who were Jewish Theologians to at least some degree]... did against the Danite Judge Samson.....

    and again.....

    sincere Jewish Theologians like Rav Shaul who became the Apostle Paul did toward Rabbi Yeshua - Jesus and his followers such as the Deacon Stephen.......
    ......


    It is only human for many Jewish scholars to disagree with the Jewish Theologians who wrote the following.....
    to both Trump as well as Putin... back in 2016............
    .....
    ...... [It is my belief that even Putin is playing an important role much as God termed King Nebuchadnezzar as well as King Cyrus.... as servants of His]????????????????????


    https://israel365news.com/311624/bi...sks-putin-trump-build-third-temple-jerusalem/



    Personally.. I was not joking when I began this discussion and poll..... but in a free country many people will tend to disagree.... [i believe partly due to their fears and political bias]......


    Should Israel crown Donald J. Trump as Moshiach ben Ephrayim?


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    Should Israel crown Donald J. Trump as their constitutional monarch?
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    2. No
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    3. Well...... he would probably do that too for one shekel per year and he will do a lot for them...
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    4. Yes... recovering from the economic aspects of COVID 19 makes doing this worthwhile...
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    5. No.... Rabbi Alon Anava would be better.....
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    6. No... there is somebody else!
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    7. other... please explain in a reply....
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    Activists politicized sexual deviance and fetishes, then disingenuously run around babbling about 'separation of church and state', as if Christians and Jews have no rights to oppose their sicko kiddie grooming and other disgusting attempts at 'normalizing' deviant behavior, including brainwashing children into believing they should sexually mutilate themselves.

    Here's a Fun Fact: Christians and pastors have free speech rights like everybody else, and they have a right to vote and a right to speak out against sick stuff.
     
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    https://www.wsj.com/articles/john-q...st-founding-america-history-religion-7b013ec4

    The term “Christian nationalism,” as Orwell said of “fascism,” has no meaning except insofar as it signifies “something not desirable.” Take Politico reporter Heidi Przybyla’s contention earlier this year that “the one thing that unites” so-called Christian nationalists supporting Donald Trump is the belief that “our rights as Americans” come from God, not “any earthly authority.”

    The essay goes on to point out that the country is indeed a Christian Nationalist country according to the left's own ever changing definitions of the term. Nice piece by Goldman.

    https://politicalscience.columbian.gwu.edu/samuel-goldman
     
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    What "lefts" do you mean? Those by European standards right wing US-politicians and ultra-nationalistics called Democrats?
     
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    The deviants think that because they don't recognize standards, then those standards become subjective and negotiable. Ironically, if you uphold the standard in contradiction to their deviancy, they accuse you of being out of line.

    Appeasement and tolerance only emboldens them. When their movement began they said they weren't bothering anyone and just wanted to be left alone. Now they bother everyone and won't leave anyone alone.

    They corrupted military standards. They corrupted the marriage covenant. They target and sue small business owners for not participating in their way of living. They wage economic campaigns against advertisers who advertise in mediums that don't promote their deviancy. The men are dressing as women and competing in women's sport's. Now they are promoting their doctrines to children in public schools. So much for not bothering anyone and just wanting to be left alone. Oh and they have their own flag of pride as well as parades exhibiting debauchery. What's not to love, eh?
     
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    The left is too corrupt and extensive for the right to indict. Neither does the right wish to destabilize the nation in such a venture. Trumps first alleged crime involved calling a woman a gold digging liar because she accused him of rape. Trumps second alleged crime was securing a loan and paying it back with interest, which is how business is done. Trumps third alleged crime was paying a woman to stop harassing him and writing it off as a legal expense. His next supposed crime was telling his supporters to protest the election peacefully. Some in the group had violent personal motivations, and rioted. There is no evil in any of this.
     
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    It's a deliberate agenda. Jump up and down and demand attention, then snivel and cry when they get it. They're mentally ill, so they can never be appeased or happy.

    Any of these tactics seem familiar? The program was laid out in the mid 1980's.

    http://library.gayhomeland.org/0018/EN/EN_Overhauling_Straight.htm

    It's no accident the plan follows Antonio Gramsci's media tactics; Harry Hay and his NAMBLA founder buddy David Thorstad were both card carryiing Communist Party members and promoted pedophilia.

    Here is an issue of Worker's Vanguard, demonstrating Communist support for kiddie rape gangs. PDF download link for those on phones or just don't like download links. Pages 4 and 5

    https://www.marxists.org/history/etol/newspape/workersvanguard/1994/0602_10_06_1994.pdf

    !994 was also the year Bill Clinton was considering approving the ILGA being granted NGO status at the UN; Jesse Helms raised a big stink over that group having NAMBLA as a founding member organization for over 17 years. Clinton was forced to drop his sponsorship.

    Obama appointed an admirer of Harry Hay as his 'Safe Schools Czar' as President. It's become clearer every day that leftists and commies are sexual deviants as well as sociopaths.
     
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    Didn't expect that in 2024 there is so less knowlegde about communism. Communism is antidemocratic, brutal, materialistic, but not homosexual nor rapist or pedophile.
     
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    Take off your rose tinted spectacles. Trump is a threat to your nation. All you 'preach' and yet you support such a man. Lets hope your god doesn't read what you've written. If Trump gets into the White HGouse in November the USA is finished as a Democracy. Dictatorship awaits especially after the SCOTUS ridiculous ruling. Sadly I expected better from you.
     
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    Trump is actually fairly moderate politically, not some far right nutjob as the Democrats are trying to paint him, while they themselves are the very reason he's so popular now. He doesn't really need the GOP establishment, either.
     
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    lol rubbish. Democrats are the major threat, and even a significant chunk of the Democratic Party's own base now see that. They may not be able to stuff enough ballot boxes and get enough illegal aliens to the polls to steal this election like they did the last one.
     
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    They see Biden as a threat. And you are willing to support a criminal. A man who has broken many laws, used his money to escape justice in many cases, treated and molested women with disdain, and is now threatening vengeance on those who have, and do, oppose him. God - oops I'm an atheist - help the USA.

    I don't look at how the Democrats are trying to paint him. I don't need to. I can listen/read his deranged rantings in the papers and on the news in the UK. I've said before and I say it again, the real problem for DEMOCRACY in the US is Trump - not Biden. That has nothing to do with the economy. That is another issue. NEITHER CANDIDATE should be running in November. Both are too old and mentally - to put it politely - past their best. You have younger and far more capable younger candidates.
     
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    More rubbish. Fake charges, crooked DA's and Democratic Party Judges, fake convictions, political hackery and banana republic tactics by your left wing heroes, is all. Those sleazy tactics just made him even more popular. Keep up the good work. Your organized crime syndicate is going down hard come November.
     
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    Sure you do, it's why you parrot the Party line to a T. You don't really have a clue, you just follow your peer group.
     
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    Party Line.? I look at things from the outside - being British. It's you who are toeing your party line. Whatever good Trump has done in the past is outweighed by the acts he has committed against so many people, like leaving business partners to pick up the pieces of failures. Do you still believe he won the last election? Do you listen to his threats to take revenge on his opposition? His unwarranted denigration of people who oppose him Do you deny he tried to get votes illegally? All the justice systems showed there was no cheating in the election. The Justice system has shown his deceit in his monetary affairs. He loaded SCOTUS with his own people to escape justice. The latest ruling shows this and would not be acceptable in a true Democracy.
    During his MAGA presidency the US either permanently withdrew from or substantially cut the funding of several United Nations agencies and multilateral pacts relating to trade and environment. He used different means to handicap other global institutions too — for instance, the US blocked the appointment of judges to the World Trade Organisation (WTO), rendering it as largely meaningless. Many of these things were set up by the US in the Postwar period. His concentration on MAGA was welcomed by the Chinese who have continued increasing their influence throughout the world - even to South America. This could have future consequnces for the US if the Chinese economy collapses. It already has a banking crisis.
    Trump is not fit to lead the US at this time. Neither is Biden.
    Like it or not IMO your best President in the last 30 years has been Obama. He took over after the financial crash (2008) caused for the 2nd time by US Banking/Loaning subprime mortaging, and, despite opposition from Congress in the first year - and his war 'adventure' - brought the US to a state for Trump to build upon. Trumps 4 years in office:-
    • The economy lost 2.9 million jobs. The unemployment rate increased by 1.6 percentage points to 6.3%.
    • Paychecks grew faster than inflation. Average weekly earnings for all workers were up 8.7% after inflation.
    • After-tax corporate profits went up, and the stock market set new records. The S&P 500 index rose 67.8%.
    • The international trade deficit Trump promised to reduce went up. The U.S. trade deficit in goods and services in 2020 was the highest since 2008 and increased 40.5% from 2016.
    • The number of people lacking health insurance rose by 3 million.
    • The federal debt held by the public went up, from $14.4 trillion to $21.6 trillion.
    • Home prices rose 27.5%, and the homeownership rate increased 2.1 percentage points to 65.8%.
    • Illegal immigration increased. Apprehensions at the Southwest border rose 14.7% last year compared with 2016.
    • Coal production declined 26.5%, and coal-mining jobs dropped by 16.7%. Carbon emissions from energy consumption dropped 11.5%.
    • Handgun production rose 12.5% last year compared with 2016, setting a new record.
    • The murder rate last year rose to the highest level since 1997.
    • Trump filled one-third of the Supreme Court, nearly 30% of the appellate court seats and a quarter of District Court seats.
    Thats the Donald you fall for.

    I understand your desire to see your country prosper. Citizens of all nations want that but countries under dictators like Trump cannot prosper when the leader is possessed simply with his own fame and fortune.

    As an octogenarian I need my sleep. I'm off to bed.

    Good luck.
     
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    Long winded spam post. Triggered left wingers think quantity will cover up lack of anything relevant to say.

    European left wingers are no different than American ones; they all parrot the same party line.
     
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    LOL You don't even know me. I've always voted rightwing until I gave up voting this year. As an octogenarian my only interest in politics is from the sidelines. I notice you didn't deny anything.
     
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    I don't deny claims that the moon is made of blue cheese either. Guess the reason for that.
     
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    Trump's favorite book is the Bible, maybe he should read some of it.

    “That day of the Lord [end of the world] will not come until the turning away from God [great rebellion; apostasy; Matt. 24:11–12; 1 Tim. 4:1; 2 Tim. 3:1–5; 2 Pet. 2:3; Jude 18] happens and the Man of ·Evil[a] [Wickedness; Lawlessness; probably the Antichrist; 1 John 2:18; Rev. 13], ·who is on his way to hell [the son of destruction; John 17:12], appears. 4 He will ·be against [defy; oppose] and ·put himself above [exalt himself against] any so-called god or ·anything that [any object that; or any place where] people worship [Is. 14:13–14; Ezek. 28:2–9; Dan. 11:36] ·and [or so that] he will even go into the Temple of God [MAR-A-LAGO] and sit there and ·say that he is [present himself as] God [PRESIDENT].

    "Then that ·Man of Evil [L evil/lawless one; 2:3] will ·appear [be revealed], and the Lord Jesus[b] will ·kill [destroy] him with the breath that comes from his mouth [Covid mismanagement]...."

    Does that sound like Biden or Trump?

    2 Thessalonians 2 NIV - The Man of Lawlessness - Concerning the - Bible Gateway
     
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    But the proof of Trumps character is there for all to see. You should read the history of many of the worlds dictators. Take Hitler that Trump mentioned some time ago. He convinced the people he was their saviour, circa 1930, and for the 30's proved just that, making his country a powerful nation. until his Megalomania took over and he had great dreams of ruling Europe. . He had such control that the people had no means of removing him. Look at Germany after WWII. It's saving grace was the destruction of Hitler and his power base and willingness to join France in trade deals. Similarly with Mao, with the rise of Communism and the reign of Stalin. Look at Putin and his ruthless attitude to his people. You will rue the day if Trump is the next POTUS. Biden is too old to be the next POTUS. I have no problem with the rule of the Right - just not under Trump. Your Constitution is unbelievably outdated

    By the way remember the US was 'formed' by illegal imigrants from Britain, France, Spain, Holland, Portugal and slaves from Africa.
     
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