Why haven't guns been banned in Canada?

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  1. Hoosier8

    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    In the US only if it violates other rights. The left keeps trying to ban other speech and that is what the PC movement is all about.
     
  2. Vegas giants

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    Look out.....back peddler coming thru....lol
     
  3. Hoosier8

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    You don't understand punishment for violation of rights? Go figure.
     
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    Keep backing up....you will get there. LOL
     
  5. TOG 6

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    Unsupportable nonsense.
    The police as a whole have no issue with legal ownership of firearms by the citizenry
     
  6. TOG 6

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    Translation: You know there is no such research.
     
  8. Vegas giants

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    But seriously....with all of Canada's gun control Why haven't guns been banned? Is it possible that the paranoia we have been told by the pro gunners that any gun control will lead to all guns being banned is false? Shocking! LOL
     
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    Common Core for gun owners...
     
  10. Bowerbird

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    Not the best excuse for a high murder rate though
     
  11. Rucker61

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    The US murder rate declined at same rate of decline as the Australian murder rate did post-1996. We've always had a ~4x higher homicide rate. Our country is full of more violent people than yours.
     
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    It's fairly low. It's lower than it has been since the early 1960s. It's less than half of what it was in 1993. We are on the high side for First World countries, admittedly, but we also have the most heterogeneous population in the First World. We have much lower homicide rates than most of the rest of the Americas, with the exception of Canada.
     
  14. Rucker61

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    Thank you very much for this article. Did you read the actual study?

    "We enrolled 677 case participants that had been shot in an assault and 684 population-based control participants within Philadelphia, PA, from 2003 to 2006. We adjusted odds ratios for confounding variables.

    Results. After adjustment, individuals in possession of a gun were 4.46 (P < .05) times more likely to be shot in an assault than those not in possession. Among gun assaults where the victim had at least some chance to resist, this adjusted odds ratio increased to 5.45 (P < .05)."

    If you look at the data in table 1, those in the case group as compared to the control group had a lower firearm possession rate, were twice as likely to have been drinking, were outside in 83% of the cases vs 9% of the control group, 50% more likely to have had prior arrests (over 50% of victims had prior arrests) and lived in neighborhoods with 70% more illicit drug trafficking. In both case and control groups, the participants were 85% black, 90% male and up to 95% black or Hispanic.

    All this study tells us is that if you're a black male in Philadelphia, don't stand around outside selling drugs. It tells us nothing about the risks of gun ownership or gun possession by lawful citizens conducting lawful business.
     
  15. Bowerbird

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    Really? Why is that? I mean by that logic you also have a more violent populace than virtually every other OECD country
     
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    Because headway was made in the crack cocaine epidemic, which was the reason for the increase in violence during that specific period of time.

    And such has never been denied in any discussion. The populace of the united states is far more violent than most other so-called "first world" nations, with exceptionally high levels of violence being concentrated in specific urban environments.
     
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    Inner-city demographics.
     
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    You claimed:
    "Personally owned guns have probably led to more tyranny in the US"

    You also claimed
    "Widespread gun ownership creates an atmosphere of fear and paranoia in which the police know that at any time they can be shot at. Thus, they become more likely to shoot first and ask questions later if they have the slightest suspicion that someone might be armed."

    Cite - that is, copy and paste -the text in your source that supports this nonsense.
     
  19. Bowerbird

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    But why? Do you have more lead in the water? Is it because of your TV? Why?

    And if you answer with ANYTHING to do with levels of melanin in skin I will call racist
     
  20. Bowerbird

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    Bowerbird did not claim those things and TOG 6 is not correct in assigning this to her

    DO NOT ASCRIBE OTHER PEOPLES WORDS TO ME

    Disingenuous at best
     
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    Yes I actually READ the study instead of assuming what was in it by reading a couple of tables = this was a RETROACTIVE study not a proactive one
     
  22. Xenamnes

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    First and foremost, you mistakenly assume that the united states is my country of residence. Such information has never been confirmed, nor has it been made available, because it is of no relevance to the discussion.

    Secondly, pray tell what are you referring to? Are you asking why the crack cocaine epidemic of the united states was adequately addressed in the early nineties, that led to a significant drop in the levels of violence being experienced by the nation? Are you asking why the epidemic led to the increase in the first place? What message are you trying to convey?
     
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    So you admit it isn't particularly useful for describing gun ownership and use in the US?
     
  24. Maccabee

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    Please provide evidence that any of these laws reduced the crime in Canada.
     
  25. Maccabee

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    You want a complete ban on firearms or at least a ban on ammunition. So you're not for "common sense" gun laws.
     

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