Why I Bring My Gun to School

Discussion in 'Gun Control' started by rover77, Jul 27, 2017.

  1. Xenamnes

    Xenamnes Banned

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    Living = dying. It is going to happen, and there is not a thing that can be done to prevent such from possibly occurring.
     
  2. tom444

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    BS, I've been using firearms since I was 5 (a .25-20), never had an accident, but I know of them. Only a moron would operate under the ASSumption that he could never have one.
     
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    I don't make assumptions, that's why I haven't had a negligent discharge.

    Unless I'm unknowingly handling a defective firearm, I won't be having one.
     
  4. tom444

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    "ASSume nothing." The Buddha
     
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    vman12 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Like I said, I don't assume, that's why I haven't and won't have one.

    Excluding defective gear, of course.
     
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    Let me make this clear, I hope you never do.
     
  7. OrlandoChuck

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    The bolded statement is inaccurate.Double action refers to the hammer needs to be pulled back (1st action), then it drops (2nd action). Subsequent shots are single action on double/ single because the hammer is already back and only needs to drop.
     
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    Why in a zipper pouch? I have 2 Ruger .380s with Crimson Trace grips. I bought a small rubber button that I shaved to fit correctly fit behind the trigger that prevents the trigger accidentally pulled by snagging on keys etc. The Ruger is so small it fits in a pocket in a way no one would notice. While the button is a momentary delay as you have to push it out, it certainly is faster than in a pouch and is less bulky.
    While I have serious heavy hitting pistols, in my opinion merely having ANY firearm will address the problem 99% of the time. In other situations there is an unlikelihood I could draw anything anyway. Demonstrating you have a gun - any gun - will defuse virtually any potential assault - and once shots are fired from ANY firearm - everyone is so trying to run and duck they aren't going to be shooting accurately even if they have a firearm.
    The problem with larger personal defense handguns is their bulk, meaning having to wear a jacket all the time and accordingly it is often left behind.

    As for where firearms are STRICTLY prohibited, including to me? I have a few of pre-1899 double action stub 38s with special order black powder cartridges putting them into the federal and state definition in MOST states (not all) as no more being a firearm than if it is a pliers or a book. The same for the pre 1899 Colt (civilian) Army Colt 38 long black cartridge double action revolver such as police carried for a couple decades and into the smokeless powder era, though they are larger and heavier of course. The 5 shot 38 shorts are nearly as small as a .380, only heavier being steel.
     
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    Looks like you have it figured out.

    I use the zippered pouch it came cause it's free, and I'm cheap, and it works in my pocket about as well as with a more custom set up. I will leave the top and part of the side of it un-zippered when carrying it most of the time. When I don't wear it, it sits in the center arm rest in the car.

    In the trunk is my bag with a 5-11 fanny pack concealing my HK USP .40 Compact. I'll strap that on when hiking or it the situation warrants it. Also have a XD-S in .40 cal that I can use a Fox IWB holster for. Being I'm in the South and it's hot, most of the year I can't get away with wearing a bigger gun hidden by layers. I'm also not going to "Mexican Carry" with a gun aimed at my nuts.

    I keep my eyes and ears open walking around, and avoid bad areas. Even though I can draw and shoot in 1 second from a standard holster, I don't think I'll have to react that fast in real world encounter---me just being an ordinary guy minding his own business.

    I'm glad my folks hauled us out of California when I was small.
     
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    Ayoob gives two reasons to install the heavier New York trigger in your Glock: One is to lessen the chance of an accidental discharge under stress; the other is to demonstrate to a jury or prosecutor following a defensive gun use that yours is not a gun with a “hair trigger.” The idea is, don’t give an anti-gun prosecutor the “frail hook on which to hang the flimsy case.” https://gundigest.com/reviews/range-report-glock-new-york-trigger
     
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    As opposed to the defense simply pointing out that the trigger came in standard factory configuration, and has not been changed?
     
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    If we're talking about the NY-1 trigger, I can see it. I had a Glock with the NY-1 trigger in it, which is supposed to give an 8 pound pull, but I put the match disconnector into it, which took the trigger weight to 6 pounds (half a pound heavier than stock) but smoothed up the takeup and the release, and caused the trigger reset distance to become spectacular. I figured that was perfect for a personal defense pistol; the trigger was actually heavier than factory standard, so no one could say it was a "hair trigger", but it was much easier to shoot quickly under stress than the conventional trigger was. I still regret parting with that pistol...
     
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    I put some custom parts into my SP01 and smoothed up the action parts. 6.5 double action, 3 lb single action. It's only for competition, though.
     
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    Yeah, my competition G17 has a 3.5 pound trigger; but my carry pistol has a 5.5 pound, just with an enhanced reset.
     
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    I'm going to have to disagree. One action is a long, heavy pull of the trigger that cocks the hammer and drops it for the first shot. The second type of action is the ability to manually **** the hammer and bypass the trigger cocking action. Those auto-loaders that decock after each shot and require a long, heavy pull for every shot are, incorrectly called DAO's or Double-Action Only. In fact, they have only one mode of operation, so are, correctly, single-action guns.

    Modern DA revolvers can be fired with a long, heavy trigger pull, or the hammer can be manually cocked to bypass the trigger cocking mode. Thus, they are double-action. The revolvers of the Old West were single-action guns because they required manual cocking of the hammer for each shot and had no other mode of operation.
     
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    Hmm, interesting.
     
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    Not so.
    The classic 1911 trigger is indeed S.A. single action.

    N.Y.P.D. ordered various model revolvers that could not be cocked, even bobbed hammers, these versions are D.A.O. the policy being it forbidden to have a sidearm that could be cocked, this is why Glock was approved, since it fits the bill as a double action only sidearm in that it cannot be fired any other way save a long heavy trigger pull.
    These are mono action guns.
    As opposed to auto loaders that can be fired either single action or double action for the first shot.
     
  18. OrlandoChuck

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    Here is a little education for you....



    http://www.diffen.com/difference/Single_Action_vs_Double_Action

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double_action

    https://www.americanrifleman.org/articles/2016/12/9/back-to-basics-understanding-handgun-actions/
     
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    As I mentioned previously, there's two schools of thought regarding what defines "single" versus "double" action.

    Your definition, as listed above, has its adherents; including Jeff Cooper. However, the far more common (and much more widely accepted) definition is defined, not by the modes of operation, but by the trigger. A long, heavy pull, that takes an uncocked hammer and draws it back and fires the weapon, is a "double action". A trigger that only releases an already cocked hammer is a "single-action".

    Ergo, a "double action" can indeed be fired in a "single action" mode by cocking the hammer so that the trigger merely releases that cocked hammer. A firearm that has had the single action mode removed so that it can only be fired with a long heavy pull that both draws the hammer back and releases it is therefore a "Double Action Only" and not a "single action".
     
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    I get the impression that we are talking in two different directions.
     
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    To me, double-action has meant that the gun could be fired from either of two states of condition while single-action means that a gun has only one state of mechanical condition from which it can be fired from. Apples and oranges, I guess.
     
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    The NY trigger sucked and is probably one reason the NYPD has so many misses in shooting scenarios.
     
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    When NYPD still used revolvers, before Glock was approved, the new S&W revolvers had such a heavy trigger pull many Officers could not qualify, I helped qualify many Officers with remedial training, they went to a lighter trigger 6 lb rather than 8-9 lbs......
     
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    That problem can be laid at the feet of the NY-2 trigger, which took the Glock's pull to 12 pounds; ludicrously heavy.

    The NY-1 was adequate and could be trained for. If you put the 3.5 match disconnector into it, you got a 6 pound trigger with a smooth takeup and a very short reset; actually a better trigger than what comes in the factory 5.5 gun.
     
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    It sounds to me more like a case of PTSD. Being aware doesn't mean being afraid of life.
     
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