why I would support Pete Buttigieg for President

In other words he tells you truths you don't want to hear.

 

Vivek is an insufferable blathering loudmouth idiot.

There is no comparison on any level, between him and Pete.

The closest you can come to a right winged version of Pete is someone like Bill Buckley, but even that is not a perfect comparison because Bill Buckley was silver tongued and Pete is not. A better comparison to Bill Buckley on the left would have been Gore Vidal.

 

No, aside from the fact that he is wrong, most of the time, he is still an insufferable loud mouth.

 

You have one hundred percent missed the point, and truthfully, it is not worth the effort. My point was made and explained in detail as to what about them is similar. Other people understand. Whether you do is of no consequence.

 

Compared to Trump's 'best people' ? Hardly. Trump's appointments wind up being fired or resign, most of his attorneys wind up being prosecuted or being disbarred. Not seeing anything like that during Biden with his staff and attorneys.

1. Tom Price - Secretary of Health and Human Services: Resigned in September 2017 after public outcry over his use of expensive private charter flights for official business.
   
   
2. Rex Tillerson - Secretary of State: Fired by President Trump in March 2018. His departure followed a series of public disagreements with Trump on several foreign policy issues.
   
   
3. Jeff Sessions - Attorney General: Resigned at President Trump’s request in November 2018. His resignation came after months of public criticism from Trump, primarily over his decision to recuse himself from the investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 presidential election.
   
   
4. Ryan Zinke - Secretary of the Interior: Resigned in December 2018 amid multiple ethics investigations related to his travel, political activity, and potential conflicts of interest.
   
   
5. David Shulkin - Secretary of Veterans Affairs: Fired in March 2018. Shulkin faced controversies over alleged misuse of taxpayer money and internal disputes within the department.
   
   
6. Scott Pruitt - Administrator of the Environmental Protection Agency: Resigned in July 2018 after numerous scandals involving his spending, ethics, and management practices.
   
   
7. Jim Mattis - Secretary of Defense: Resigned in December 2018, citing differences in views with President Trump, particularly over the treatment of allies and strategic decisions regarding troop deployments.
8. John Kelly - Chief of Staff: John Kelly served as the White House Chief of Staff from July 2017 to January 2019. He initially brought a level of discipline and order to the White House operations but reportedly had a strained relationship with President Trump and other senior staff members as time went on. Kelly's departure was framed as a retirement, but it was widely understood that his relationship with Trump had deteriorated, leading to his exit from the administration.
   
   
9. H.R. McMaster - National Security Advisor: H.R. McMaster served as Trump's National Security Advisor from February 2017 to April 2018. McMaster's time in the position was marked by tensions with President Trump over policy and style differences, particularly concerning Russia and other key foreign policy issues. McMaster's departure was part of a broader reshuffling of Trump's national security team and was officially described as a mutual agreement between Trump and McMaster.
   
10. Michael Flynn: resigned over revelations about his communications with Russian representatives.

Trump attorneys disbarred or indicted or both:

1. Michael Cohen: Described as Trump’s “fixer,” Cohen pleaded guilty in 2018 to eight counts, including campaign finance violations and tax fraud. He later entered another guilty plea for lying to Congress about plans to build a Trump Tower in Moscow. Cohen was sentenced to three years in prison but was released and placed under house arrest in 2020 due to the COVID-19 pandemic. His sentence officially ended in November 2021.
   
   
2. Sidney Powell: Powell pleaded guilty to six misdemeanor charges related to alleged efforts to overturn the results of the 2020 presidential election in Georgia. As part of her plea deal, she will serve six years’ probation, pay restitution of $6,000, and write an apology letter to the people of Georgia.
   
   
3. John Eastman: The former Trump election lawyer behind the so-called “fake electors” scheme was officially disbarred.
   
   
4. Kenneth Chesebro: Chesebro pleaded guilty to charges arising from an indictment brought by Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis over alleged attempts to interfere in the 2020 election in Georgia.
   
   
5. Jenna Ellis: Ellis was also charged as part of the same indictment in Georgia.

What was that about 'incompetence'? PS, I'll take pasty over orange. Hah!

 

You missed the point that you are completely wrong, there is no similarity between Vivek and Pete.
Vivek is an insufferable loudmouth and Pete is thoughtful and articulate.

that's a cop out.

See above

Both comments amount to posturing.

Posturing, an illusionary attempt to gain a higher posture in a debate, is a sophomoric pseudo debate trick, it, in point of fact, does not improve your argument in any way.

 

It is not a cop out. I spelled out two areas where they are the same, do you know what those were?

1 Both very well spoken and intelligent and attracted a lot of attention on the primaries.
2. Neither are anywhere near having the requisite experience to be President.

That is it. The end. Finito. Obvisouly they are two very different people with very different political belief systems and two different personalities. Nobody is saying otherwise. Of course it was YOu that had to come in whining as if anybody gives a rip about their personality differences for purposes of this comparison. They are political neophytes that attracted a lot of attention. I never said they are twins or have the same temperament etc. I merely compared them along 2 different avenues. If you wanted to argue that either of those two avenues are incorrect, you would at least be on topic. Instead, you are arguing a strawman arguing along avenues that were never suggested. It is an analogy. Analogies are not intended to be exactly the same across all areas. Im sorry if that alaogy for some odd reason hurt your feelings.

Sincerely. Just move on. My point has been made. There is no value in bickering aimlessly with you. It is like arguing with a 5 year old.

 

Deflection noted including voluminous what aboutisms.

 

Lol!

Translation: Trump and Biden both didn't do this, but ONLY talk about Trump. Do not talk about Biden. I must wallow in my hypocrisy, thank you!

 

Your translation is off. I gave the person I posted to the opportunity to go at BOTH. The poster chose to stay partisan.
I personally don’t care about Trump or Biden not serving. See….that’s not being partisan. Give it a try some time. Or don’t ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

And your characterization of Pete is a rant. Not a merit worthy assessment of a human being.

 

You thought his response was partisan? This entire thread isn't about the Republicans and Democrats, it's about Democrats. That poster was comparing Buttigieg favorably to the current President/Presidential candidate who didn't serve; Buttigieg did. So naturally you want to make this about Trump.

 

No it is entirely performance based. All you really need to do as sec of Trans to be a success is keep your department and your name out of the headlines. He couldn't even manage that.

 

Nope….its only about calling out partisanship. Feel free to whine about this all you like. I’ll be watching the Masters then BC in the college hockey championship game. Cheers.

 

I didn't mean to chase you off, simply pointing out that when it came to partisanship, you fired first.

 

No hypocrisy there, sorry.

 

Nope

 

Nope. I pointed out that I don’t care about either Trump or Biden not serving. That’s called not being partisan. See, being partisan is only calling one of them out. That wasn't me. And I made it clear why I stepped away. You give yourself way too much credit.

 

You forgot gobsmacking smart and thoughtful and a veteran. Yes Pete has always impressed me - but his time is not yet. Ten years meantime let him get the sort of experience he is getting now and you will have an outstanding president

 

I will doubly support that - what a TWONK!

 

But that's what you did.

 

Nope

 

Glad you agree.

 

Yep

 

Hahaha so you’re referring to the person who had an issue with Biden not serving who I then asked if he ALSO had an issue with Trump not serving. So how was that me being partisan?