why is the existance of God so absurd

To the people that mock believers and call the idea of God ridiculous.

What is is that makes the existence of God the creator so much more absurd that this world we live it all just coming together by chance? I find that to be more absurd that the idea of something creating this world that shows signs intelligent design and not total chaos.

 

Usually a religion hater was wronged somehow by someone religious as a kid now they are fast track to hate Christians or what not.

I normally don't give a (*)(*)(*)(*), believe what you want, it's your soul. Mock God all you want bro, it's your ass.

It is kinda funny when some nerdy hippie goes on a anti Christian tangent though, his life sucks so he tries to make everyone else miserble

 

There will be a whole range of different reasons for different people, some more rational than others.

I try to avoid mocking anyone but my view on the belief in the existence of gods is that while the idea of some kind of divine creator being isn't entirely irrational, the 100% confidence in the existence of a very specific god (or pantheon) with accurately defined features, desires, requirements and acts is. I see no logical reason to believe in, for example, the Christian God as a creator over and above Zeus, or any of the literally infinite alternatives. Of course, then you get in the faith issue, which I'm not convinced adds anything but somewhat by definition is impossible to challenge.

First, you can get in to some very complex arguments throwing around words like "chance" in this context. I'll just say the inteligence doesn't eliminate chance. You'll also face the inevitable question of, if there is a creator god where did it come from - why couldn't the universe come from the same source, cutting out the middle deity?

Your perception of a world (or universe) showing signs of design is just that - perception. Others (including myself) see nothing that requires intelligent input to come about. It's not entirely impossible of course, but as far as I'm concerned the hypothesis of an intelligent creator raises at least as many questions as it answers and of itself, gains us little. It's also hardly ever raised without a whole load of baggage and assumptions feeding from religious belief which makes the situation all the worse.

 

It's pointless to try and explain God to someone who already rejected God, they already made up their mind.

Honestly don't waste your breath or time on strangers who reject God, thats their decision they have to live and die with.

Focus on helping hour family and other Christians, help your brothers and sisters instead of wasting resources on Hatas

 

Hasn't someone who believes in and worships a particular god also "made up their mind", often more firmly? I think we've all got a lot more in common that you might like to accept.

You're free to do as you wish but I'm don't restrict my help to people on the basis of their religious belief. I hope that's not too hateful.

 

Personally I don't waste my time helping non Christians but that's just me, that's not biblical just how I operate.

Your right though as I have always said...it's pointless to debate religion, religion is a very personal decision that isn't going to change anyones mind because of some randomly typed words by some random faceless people on the Internet

Love how people want to " scientifically" try and prove Gid doesn't exist, they are being highly dishonest with themselves.

Mankind barely knows what happened just a few hundred years ago much less Bilkions of years ago, we don't even know if there's water on mars yet these same scientists will tell you howvthe universe began.

Mankind knows MAYBE .5% of the universes secrets. We are barely scratching the surface if quantum physics, blackholes etc...

Man has always thought he was smarter than he really is, shocker I know

 

IMO...

The POSSIBILITY of the existence of a "God" or GAWDS is not absurd.
I happen to have some very deep theological beliefs.
But they are BELIEFS. Just because I CHOOSE to believe something...even if I believe it 100%...DOES NOT make it an absolute. Why? Simple...the existence of any sort of GAWDS, is unprovable. We can suspect...we can believe...but we can not prove. And if in the end I find out this was all some sort of test...then GAWD and I are gonna have a nice long chat about its conduct. I don't like "pop-quizzes".

So you may BELIEVE what floats yer boat.
The problem many religious people have is they are constantly trying to convince others to share their BELIEFS. For some this is simply a minor irritation. For some this is an outrage and presumptuous as hell ('scuse the pun).

IF I'm correct in the assumptions I've drawn in order to formulate my personal beliefs, then whether or not we actually BELIEVE in a GAWD, is rather irrelevant.

Thus a word of advise to those who presume they may "peddle" the force of GAWD...Perhaps it would be a better use of your time and energy just practicing what you preach, and focus on succeeding (however you choose to define "success") to make yourself and the ones around you proud and happy. Because after all...no GAWD of mine...or any I would ever have any reverence for, would want me to live a self-imposed life of poverty. That's just down right silly.

 

Why do you have to focus on helping your family and other Christians?

Isn't that what your God should be doing?

If you worship a God that can't even look after your family and fellow Christians, I'd have to say you are one hell of a gullible sucker my friend.

What exactly is it that this God of yours does.

What useful purpose does your God serve if it doesn't even help Christians?

 

I see a key difference between belief in a god (which is indeed often pointless to debate) and religion. Religion is about what you do in response to that belief in a god (where it involves a god of course). What people choose to do and, more significantly, what they expect or even demand other people do is a perfectly valid and viable subject for discussion and debate - indeed, it's often vital that we do.

I disagree. If a specific god is proposed, with details of their features and actions defined, it is perfectly reasonable to address those claims via scientific method and come to a conclusion about the existence of that god on the basis of them. It generally can't be a definitive answer but it can give a good "reasonable doubt" position one way or another.

There is a box on my desk in front of me and I've no idea what is in it (a delivery for a collegue who isn't in today). There is a box in my parents attic hundreds of miles away from here and I know exactly what's in it (I packed it). My lack of knowledge of the contents of almost all the boxes in the world doesn't prevent me having very clear knowledge of the contents of some.

The theories about how the universe came to be are based on observed evidence. As with the question of gods above, there is not definitve 100% certain answer (and no true scientits would claim as such). The evidence gathered so far does give what the experts in the field feel is a likely conclusion.

As it happens, I believe they're reaching a similar position regarding the existance of water on Mars too.

True, but that applies equally to faith as it does to science (and at least science has the scope to trip up those getting ahead of themselves). This comes back to my point about us all having a lot more in common than you give us credit for.

 

It's funny you say "God the creator" because there is no good defense for calling a creator a God unless he is required to be magical, that he is capable of creation ex nihilo. No other kind of creation is particularly Godlike.

Also, you employ a false dichotomy. You seem to suppose either magical creation or total randomness when there are other options.

So part of the answer is that it's easy to believe in God if you can't think clearly because it's easy to believe in anything if you can't think clearly.

 

Jesus says thinking this way is actually non-Christian...so based on this I would argue that you are not Christian.

 

Oh look, a logical fallacy.

There is zero evidence of any gods.

 

Don't Give a rats ass what some random guy on the net thinks, pretty much proved my point

 

Because science is testable, throwing hands up and saying "well.... we tried, we can't figure it now, so will never ever ever never forever be able to figure it out, god did it" is not.

Physics keeps everything in order, a planet can be lifeless and avoid a state of chaos in the same way that life can exist and avoid a state of chaos.

 

A) The inconsistencies of it. There are far more ideal potential designs for the universe than what we observe. For example, why can humans not teleport? Why is space a vacuum? Why use the mechanism of gravity to hold things together, rather than just invoking indivisible platonic ideals? If the Universe was created, then God must indeed be quite insane or cruel or both. Basically the uncountable number of suboptimal qualities of the universe are evidence of flawed thinking if it was designed--and if there really was a perfect creator deity, he would not make such a flawed creation.

B) The lack of supporting evidence for god. There's really no good reason to think the idea is true, so why assume that it is?

There are sensible explanations for the existence of Earth and the life on it that don't involve god. These explanations make far more sense than the bizarre idea that some creator-deity decided to make a planet then disappear from it. Especially since said creator-deity is commonly purported to be similar to a mythical archetype of ideal human leadership...

Ask yourself this--if it is so improbable that the universe occurred by random chance, why would you believe that an infinitely more complex deity occurred by chance? Saying that god is a first cause and has no creator is a cop out and an example of sheer intellectual dishonesty.

The universe makes far more sense if it is a natural product than the product of a perfect creator-deity. There are far too many flaws in the universe for it to be anything but a natural product. The laws of physics provide an adequate and elegant explanation for the existence of the universe and everything in it, and god would just make the whole thing far more complex.

 

Jesus requires you to give a rat's ass, which is pretty much my point.

 

Ya a universe magically popping into existence from nothing makes a ton of sense bro....

If there is no God you might as well go outside and rape babies all day long, who's to say what's wrong or right, we are just some random matter that will turn to dust shortly anyway right?

 

I take it you don't read much on the science of physics do you?

As long as they are from another tribe, even god says its ok.

 

If believing in God is the only thing keeping you from a baby raping spree, you've got serious problems.

Luckily, most atheists find that there are more reasons to behave themselves than just the promise of heaven and threat of hell. Most religious people do too.

I'd rather lead a life of generosity and kindness that ends when I die than fake being good so that I can get eternal happiness. And if heaven is the only reason you are being "good," yes, you are faking it.

 

A bit of a classic but doesn't this imply that the only thing stopping you raping babies is your belief in God and the threat of divine punishment?

 

A phrase from the Dawkins Foundation;

Do good for goodness sake.

Its frightening to think that the reason why people do or do not do x, y, or z, is because they believe it is "gods law". More so comments that are along the lines of "life is meaningless without god". These people rely too heavily on their concept of god, and do not rely on themselves enough to give themselves ethics, and to give themselves a purpose in this short life.

 

I'm a little comforted by the fact that most of the ones that say that don't really mean it when you confront them.

"If you don't believe in God, then what's to stop you from murdering, stealing, etc."
"Is that what you would do if you didn't believe in God?"
"Of course not!"

There are a frightening few, however, that openly say that they would commit every atrocity imaginable if they didn't believe in God. I've only met a handful. I keep my distance and do my best to say nothing that would make them question their faith.

I don't think a believe in God/heaven/hell is really the only thing suppressing this guy's baby-rapin'-impulse. In fact, I don't even think he realizes that the way he phrased his question implies that he has a baby-rapin'-impulse.

 

Why would you want to rape babies?

 

lol, seriously

So what are you doing today?
I was thinking of raping babies.
WHAT?!?
I mean, unless you can think of some really good reasons not to. I mean really good reasons. I'd pretty much need eternal, happy life to tip the scales right now.

 

They fail to realize that human ethics and values come from man.

I just think its sad. I don't mean that to be sarcastic or condescending, I just cannot imagine looking too a 2,000 book for the meaning of my life.