Why isn't Libertarianism more popular?

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  1. My Fing ID

    My Fing ID Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    So... what's the difference? What makes alcohol different than recreational drugs other than legality?
     
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    He drinks and looking at it differently allows him to feel superior to other folks, such as Marijuana users?
     
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    tomfoo13ry Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    No, you should expect dullards to classify the drug that they consume as somehow different than all other drugs just because that's the one they prefer.
     
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    Interesting fact: Alcohol negatively impacts every single organ in the body, whereas all the illegal drugs impact one or more, but none of them damage all like Alcohol does.
     
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    Bad try.

    Yes.

    To be sure. What's that got to do with anything I said?
     
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    Booze hounds aren't necessarily known for their honesty. The point about alcohol remains.
     
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    tomfoo13ry Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    ...Because you classified the drug that you prefer as somehow different than all other drugs...It was kinda' self explanatory...
     
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    My Fing ID Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I'm still waiting for an answer. How is alcohol different than other recreational drugs other than legality?

    BTW like the ASCII beer glass []? Guess that could be coffee too. This kind of looks like an ASCII keg {} !
     
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    People who claim the United States is the greatest terrorist organization the world has ever known are all liars - by which I mean, of course, that if they ever tell the truth, it is for no other purpose than to deceive.
     
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    What I stated is fact. We have perfected terrorism and in fact (in collaboration with our allies) have a monopoly on it. You should start by looking up the words terror, terrorism, and terrorist. Maybe America went wrong by putting such a negative light on the word 'terrorism', it kind of shines the light back at it. I seek truth, and this is where I ended up. Maybe you should look at the world in a more objective light. Always remember: The propaganda machine is strong so it will take some deprogramming but you can do it.
     
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    And what drug would that be, exactly?
     
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    Of course it is, to the treasonously insane.
     
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    War is peace!

    Freedom is Slavery!

    The US constitution is treason!
     
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    Every deposit left by a dog on a sidewalk understands the Constitution better than you do.
     
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    Have you not been following along? What drug did you insist is not a recreational drug. Think, you can do this.
     
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    Oh nice! Empty meaningless insults.
     
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    I did say alcohol isn't a recreational drug, but since I don't imbibe you can't be talking about that. So just what the hell ARE you talking about?

    Charitably assuming you have some idea, of course.

    I will, the minute I encounter something that needs thinking about.
     
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    Because it is. And libertarianism defends the freedom of enslaving the workers. Libertarianism is liberalism, and it means giving more power to the corporations. Is fomenting the dictatorship of the markets. The markets are not democratic, are a strong dictatorship, and if you don't have anything to control it, it would be really dangerous for the freedom of the workers, basically.

    Libertarianism is useful to revive the strong aristocracy, the ones that would have more freedom, it is the owners of the means of production or in other words corporations. They would be able to buy much more freedom than the rest. That is not freedom, that is not individual freedom.

    Sorry, but libertarianism is the neoslavery, however there are things worse like conservatism, that is authoritarism, strong state + what I said before, and makes it much more dangerous.

    Libertarianism is not able to analyze that the group, society must have as freedom as the individuals.

    And also is a system that people would oppose strongly because is losing many rights like healthcare, education... and is only applicable with shock doctrine that is absolutely the opposite of what libertarianism in theory says that they defend. At least, any intent to implement something closer to libertarianism, has had to be applied with shock doctrine.
     
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    Ooooh, I didn't realize that you were a teetotaler, allow me to rephrase.

    One should expect dullards to arbitrarily classify a drug that people consume to have a good time or to relax to be something other than a "recreational drug".

    Mo' betta'?
     
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    No, because it still has nothing to do with anything I said.

    Your real problem, of course, is that even though you don't understand my definition of "recreational drug", you don't like it - and you don't know why. But I do. :)
     
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    Riiight, because people don't drink alcohol to "escape their conscience"...

    I have to ask, if you don't drink yourself, then how the hell do you know what other people's reasons are for doing so?
     
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    Ah. A petty insult but no counterpoint. I will not return in kind. Your definition was a substance taken to alter the mental state, without medicinal purposes. How does alcohol not fall under that category?
    I suppose if you're weak and have no substance to your position, you could continue with the petty insults but if you have a legitimate counterpoint, I invite you to present it.
     
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    Libertarians suffer the same problems that Conservatives suffer.

    1.) Lack of Education. Libertarians have to compete with public schools. Public schools are brain washing institution that teach the youth the everything American is bad and that Liberal policies are the only proper polices. I know this because I know several teachers. They are under pressure by the teacher union to produce loyal Democrats.

    2.) The left controls the airwaves. Print media, T.V. and the movies are part of an unholy alliance to shape public opinion. Media in America went from neutral to advocacy of Obama and the Democrats.

    Remember what the Nazi propaganda minister said. Tell a lie repeatedly and often enough and the lie becomes truth! They knew this. That is why they made every effort to controls books, movies, radio and newspapers. They also controlled the schools.
     
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    I agree with many of the same ideas libertarians do. I think people should do whatever the hell they want (within reason though, I think most or all drugs should eventually be banned). However, that is best accomplished through government policies, not less government intervention. That being said, the government should raise taxes. The common argument from libertarians is that you earned the money and the government is taking it from you. That is not true at all. The reason you are paid what you are is based on the overall economy, not what you should actually earn for what you produce. The free market is not going to magically make everything efficient and pay everbody what they deserve to be paid.
     
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    I never said that, and you bloody well know it.

    Only a fool deems a patent imbecility worthy of a "counterpoint", hth.

    No it was not.

    misrepresent my opponent's argument and then make him out a loser for failing to defend a position he never affirmed to begin with?

    Yes, if I were so handicapped I could follow your example.
     

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