~why johnny (atheist) can't beleive ~ and the cure~

Google progressive creation and YE Young Earth creation, the blatant ignorance even in sarcasm is giving me a migraine.

reva

 

As I've posted here before, I've pulled my term. By the time I was four or five years old my maternal grandmother was already working hard on my brainwashing. If I did something a little naughty or against her personal belief she would tell me, "Old Scratch Will Get You!"
Old Scratch being her name for Satan. She would walk over a mile in the snow to make church services on a Wednesday evening or Sunday Morning.

In grammar school, 3rd and 4th grades my west TN teachers would begin each day with the pledge of allegiance and the Lord's Prayer. On Mondays they assigned each student a bible verse to memorize and recite back to the class on Thursday or Friday. I read the bible through while I was still in my teens. I had read the new testament no less than ten times while I was in my twenties. I was baptized in a Baptist church before a congregation of nearly a thousand on a Sunday morning in the spring of 1957. I was a Sunday school teacher, a member of the building committee and the Brotherhood. I worked with RA Boys and coached one of their baseball teams. I was a substitute usher. I spoke with personal testimony in nearby small churches. I visited the sick on Tuesday evenings and twice a year we visited a prison. We tithed our gross. I walked the walk.

I used to sit in the sanctuary on Sunday mornings and look around at the faces of others and wonder if they doubted the way I did. I was two-faced until I was over sixty years old. After I retired I made a major decision. I did not want to keep living a lie.....I never believed all that malarkey. Two of my three children are heavy into the church stuff but one of my daughters is exactly like me about such things.

After I stopped living a lie I can't begin to tell you how much better I've felt. I began a new personal policy. I do not say a word about religion till somebody else starts it.....then I burn them a new arse and cause them to show their ignorance. I had most of the new testament memorized chapter and verse while I was still in my twenties and 90% of Christians don't know schit about the bible. Most have a few favorite verses and listen to the self serving messages from a preacher when they go to church but that's usually it. I love to see the look on their faces when I lace them with a couple of verses which absolutely states the opposite of something they have declared.

The good news is that primitive beliefs are on their way out. The organized brainwashing of young, innocent, gullible children by their adult church goers is the reason it's still alive. You can teach a child anything. For thousands of years tribes of cannibals taught their young to consume human flesh as a religious ritual. Ironically they were converted from their faith to another one which consumes a cracker and some grape juice to simulate eating flesh and drinking blood. It's all such a load of schit written by primitive sheep herders who believed in witches and thought the earth was flat. Again....I'm turning 80 today. I've seen a lot during the last 75 years. The thing that pleases me most is the results of studies like this one. There's still hope:

http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2012/10/09/survey-one-in-five-americans-is-religiously-unaffiliated/

Survey: One in five Americans has no religion

By Dan Merica

Washington – The fastest growing "religious" group in America is made up of people with no religion at all, according to a Pew survey showing that one in five Americans is not affiliated with any religion.

The number of these Americans has grown by 25% just in the past five years, according to a survey released Tuesday by the Pew Forum on Religion and Public Life.

The survey found that the ranks of the unaffiliated are growing even faster among younger Americans.

Thirty-three million Americans now have no religious affiliation, with 13 million in that group identifying as either atheist or agnostic, according to the new survey.

Pew found that those who are religiously unaffiliated are strikingly less religious than the public at large. They attend church infrequently, if at all, are largely not seeking out religion and say that the lack of it in their lives is of little importance.

 

It doesn't.

It wasn't a dream or hallucination. Too powerful. There's a similarity to NDEs. Not what people see, but the experience itself. It could be just the mind shutting down as some hypothesize, but the feelings experienced and the intensity of the experience make it far different from a dream or hallucination.

 

I'm not affiliated with a "religion" either. As the link below notes, while 16% of the population are religiously unaffiliated, only 1.6% are atheists.

The actual report: http://religions.pewforum.org/reports

 

God bless you, you have your beliefs you know the book and you have made your decision. It's not that I do not care what happens to you eventually, rather I feel the spirit has decided not to strive with you. One telling sentence that revealed all was when you said you never believed in the first place, ole' scratch may have influenced you more than you know? Or, maybe not,

reva

 

More claims, still no evidence. What are these "biblical claims later verified by archeology and related sciences"?

"First logic must be spoken to a theist, not word salad and dressed up innuendos , which is the common syntax of most atheist activists."

Strange, it is you who creates your own words, tells people they have to be learned to understand what you allegedly know. You asked atheists why they are atheists and moan because you do not like the way they reply. It might be a surprise to you but I doubt any atheist on here cares if you "love" them. A straight answer would do!

 

Yeah...a man I had been friends with for forty years called me three times while he was dying from cancer and other complications. The last time he called me he said that I was going to burn in eternal hell if I didn't accept Jesus Christ as my personal savior. I asked him who he thought he was schitting.

Not to Worry.....he will rise up out of his grave, fly up and meet his ghost friend floating on a cloud, fly off on gossamer wings to live a life of bliss in a gated community while I burn just because I elected to believe something other than a hereafter. LMAO!!!

 

(*)(*)(*)(*)ers dead. Why do you care?

 

I care because a man I was a friend of for nearly forty years discarded me as he was overcome by his last minute obsessions with an invisible man in the sky.

 

reva, still curious....


why would Johnny Atheist believe in, much less worship a God who ordered infanticide?

And is the "cure" trying to convince him that "Infanticide isn't evil if God does it"?

 

Simple...he is a Gawd of Vengeance:

 

Why didn't you stand over him and yell "YOU'LL BE DEAD SOON! GET THE (*)(*)(*)(*) USED IT DAMMIT!!!"?

 

Apparently he's the Gawd of Double Standards......

we look at our neighbor's wife's cute butt once....we're "rotten bast*ards" and go to Hell and get tortured for eternity.

The Big Guy orders an army to slaughter babies and children...and He's a "good guy"....and "don't you question it, or you'll get double-secret probation Hell!!!!"

 

Which, if God really was all knowing, all powerful and all merciful, wouldn't make any sense. Ergo, that's mankind's interpretation, not God's. Feel free to look at all the cute butts you like. I do!

 

And how does one discover "God's interpretation"...that isn't a man's interpretation?

 

Wait till you're 80........you'll finally get over that ailment. Now I'd just as soon look at a nice sunset.

 

That's the trick isn't it? All I've seen are man's interpretations.

 

Looking to the Christian texts creates more problems than solutions. People being resurrected? The earth being 6000 years old? All of the fauna on the planet fitting on a wooden boat? Whales being classified as fish? Etc.

Right, so you find the KCA compelling, I don't. Saying "God did it" for anything we don't know about is merely god of the gaps, not a "more logical" approach. The problem with saying God did it (as compared to a specific scientific theory about background conditions preceding the big bang) is that no matter what evidence appears, "God did it" can always be inserted as an explanation. Seems more like an ad-hoc catch all than a real theory or explanation. Additionally, saying "God did it" begs the question of how.

Isn't the whole idea with hallucinations that they can be very powerful? Hundreds of people swear they see UFOs and witness abductions, but often it is just a banal explanation - like in Alaska the cold weather and high alcoholism rates resulted in a large number of unexplained disappearances.

 

Yes, and I've tried to replicate the experience with "altered states of consciousness". Nothing came close.

 

Just reviewed this thread, and there is an awful lot that the Rev has nor responded to, so I thought I might help you Rev by trying to summarise the questions I and other posters have asked. To which you have so far not replied.

I will try to keep to this," First logic must be spoken to a theist, not word salad and dressed up innuendos , which is the common syntax of most atheist activists." so no salad or innuendos.

KCA or cosmological argument.

Premiss This is just a sophisticated "god of the gaps"
Question as put by Fresh Air in his post, "Unknown > Big Bang > Everything
Unknown > God > Big Bang > Everything" What evidence to show god slipped in there?

Premiss. There is no law defining Christian as you state.
Question. Please provide evidence of a law defining Christian?

Premiss. "biblical claims later verified by archeology"
Question. Can you provide examples?

Premiss. That you claim the ability or knowledge to save a "soul"
Question. How do you verify that you have saved a "soul"?

Premiss. You state you are an "honest to God (no pun intended) reverend (complete with wall hanging masters degree)"
Question I can find no legal status of a "reverend". The title implies a degree of respect is given, on what legal basis?

Premiss God ordered infanticide
Question. Gorn Captain asks in his post,
why would Johnny Atheist believe in, much less worship a God who ordered infanticide?
And is the "cure" trying to convince him that "Infanticide isn't evil if God does it"?

Premiss. You state that you believe atheists "wake up hating god"
Question. While you were an atheist, did you hate god?
If you did, how can you hate something you think does not exist?.

Premiss. You claim "much of prophesy of Daniel, revelation has been fulfilled"
Question What evidence to support your statement?

Premiss You claim biblical prophecy is coming true.
Question What?
And where is evidence for this?

You have given your opinion on atheists and made disparaging remarks about posters on this thread. Well I believe the "clergy" are snake oil salesmen. Rarely do they give straight answers, often they make claims which do not bare close scrutiny. In fact often when you actually look at the answers they are just long winded pontificating with very little substance. So I will be looking for some facts in your answers should you choose to enter into a genuine debate.
So hopefully I have spared you innuendos or salad, perhaps you could therefore answer the questions with some sources for the factual statements you claim.

 

Right so your options seem to be either:
1) Accept the standard neuroscience explanation, which might be hard to swallow given your personal experience, but there are plenty of counter intuitive scientific results that we accept without any problems so this is just another one.

2) Accept some kind of weird mind-body dualism, which is intuitively plausible but doesn't stand up to scrutiny. Where's the magic link between mind and brain?

 

Since the "standard neuroscience explanation" didn't fully explain the event, mainly due to an inability to replicate the experience, I'm open to explanations.

Regardless of what caused, if any, the experience, we're still left with the question of what happened before the Big Bang?

 

And there are many of us who are comfortable admitting we don't know what happened. Still working on that. It's one of the fundamental differences between those who see things from a logical point of view and those of us who believe in people who have wings. The ones who believe in flying people aren't used to having "loose ends" to tie up, they like their book that explains it all for them.

Myself, I don't believe in magic.

 

Awesome. So you think I believe in people with wings, flying people and magic. Now you might have an inkling of an understanding why I put fundamentalist theists and atheists into the same box of narrow-minded believers.