~why johnny (atheist) can't beleive ~ and the cure~

The caps was just a reaction to watching people misunderstand a very simply thing over and over and over and over again.

How you reject something without evidence is actually quite easy, especially in regards to something that cannot even be known.

It all begins a 0 <---- as in no claim being made.

Then someone says even though I can't know anything about it I claim to know everything about it. Theist

Then someone else comes along and says since you can't know anything about it I reject your claim. Atheist

See the problem believers have when using the argument you are is that you first have to give credence to a claim that can't be known in order for you to then say we can't reject it.

Let's try this.

The universe was purposely created by a hyper intelligent firecracker.

The universe was accidentally created by a magical unicorn with gas.

By your standards both of these need to be taken just as seriously as any religious claim on the planet because as you say how can you support or reject anything without evidence.

 

Vicariously made the point pretty well. I just want to add that one definition of "reject" is "to not accept" or "to not believe." So if someone makes a claim, and you don't accept/believe it, then you have rejected it.

 

No (*)(*)(*)(*). If I change the words "you're an idiot" to "disagreed", doesn't that change the entire context?

"Do not accept" is fine with me. It's still a belief without evidence...or are you asserting that is fact?

 

Of course. A completely emotional reaction.

Again, how can someone reject something without evidence?

Example; Giovanni Schiaparelli reports seeing channels on Mars in 1877. You state your belief there are Martians on Mars. I reject that claim. Based on what evidence? My beliefs???? How could I possibly reject your claim without evidence just the same as how can you back up your belief without evidence?

 

What is "still a belief without evidence"? Not accepting something? Not accepting a claim is lack of belief.

 

Let me rephrase; there is a difference between saying "I do not accept" and "You are wrong". Do you understand this difference and why?

 

Yeah, I know the difference. I would call both a rejection, though.

 

Rejection based on belief, not evidence. If that is true, then we are agreed.

 

If you have no desire to actually address my post why do you think I would address yours?

 

I did address it. The fact you do not like my answer is not my problem. If you want to ignore me, that's your choice.

 

You didn't answer it at all, if you had you would have realized how your response was irrelevant in more ways than one.

 

You're whining. This is the second post you've whined I didn't respond yet I've responded to all of your posts. WTF gives?

 

I suspect our friend has trouble teasing this out.

 

We reject claims when evidence is lacking for the claims made. It can't be stated more clearly, but I fear you will still torque it into a shape more supportive of your position.

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No, you didn't address it.

 

here it is again, Max. Could you possibly address all the points made, one at a time?

 

Declaring something is unsubstantiated is fine. Saying you "know" there is no god isn't a rejection. Mocking others for believing something unprovable is emotional, not logical.

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Sorry, I don't do texts walls. It's like textual masturbation; it only pleases the person doing it, not anyone reading it.

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If you have a particular point you'd like me to address, state it and I'll post a response.

 

I believe in God, just not man made organized religion.

Some people assume if you deny Jesus that you can't possibly believe in God. I believe just the opposite.

 

Same here. Atheists often mix the two. It was what organized religion was pushing that led me to becoming an atheist in High School.

I believe there is a force which encompasses all of creation and, for lack of a better name, I call that force "God" or "the Almighty".

 

One must read the bible with an open mind. If you want to find an evil God you will. Your interpretation is a lie by omission. That is often not intended but is a very common occurrence when an atheist or God hater reads the bible looking for evil. a

reva

 

Its sad when someone reads something into our words that are not there. I did otherwise saying I respect all religions and belief systems. I was saying atheists have a nearly impossible time understanding scripture for the reasons given in the thread. Please list where you feel I attacked atheism.

Who said otherwise? I did say that its far more logical to believe that the universe was caused to begin to exist by something rather than it began to exist from nothing and I stand by that claim.

Rev.A.

 

I will give it a look. I own a food pantry type mission MMA Mountain Manna Mission, we partner with the local 2nd harvest food bank). Also the other mission is Mission of Crosses, where volunteers in help unravel the governmental red tape ie filling out entitlment forms and sometimes provide paralegal and legal help to the poor etc. I would love to open a soup kitchen at some future date but its very labor intensive, and I personally am having a difficult time making ends meet. So one of the above missions may close if funds are not forthcoming. On the upside its not that costly to start up a free soup kitchen !

reva

 

I wonder about all those theists unbelievers find! They all seem to be theists from hell with no or wrong answers Lol! The theists I meet aren't like that at all! Maybe as I pointed out in an earlier reply you often find what you are looking for!

Anyway


Where did God come from? That is called the problem of infinite regression, google 'its turtles all the way down' really! Its about IR. However let me point out that God is eternal. Forever. Infinite. Atemporal. Think about it. Where does infinity begin? It doesn't. We, science rather has much empirical proof the universe began unfortunately for modern atheist scientists. They were quite happy until the middle of the 20th century because the universe was thought to be eternal with no beginning. God problem solved. Then the cosmic microwave background radiation (often called the afterglow from the big bang) was discovered by accident! Then the evidence began to snowball for the big bang which tells us the universe did begin around 14b years ago. So we cant say the universe is eternal etc. However one of the main attributes of God is that he or it is eternal, and or atemporal. No beginning to something eternal eh? No beginning means of course no creation needed.

reva

 

Post-birth abortion?

I'm presuming you're taking something out of the Old Testament. The wrathful God image. My take on that is it's mankind's interpretation of God, not God's actual desire for men to slay babies. That said, it's a good point to bring up to the anti-abortionists.

 

Fixed it for you ...

Where did the universe come from? That is called the problem of infinite regression, google 'its turtles all the way down' really! Its about IR. However let me point out that the universe is eternal. Forever. Infinite. Atemporal. Think about it. Where does infinity begin? It doesn't. We, science rather has much empirical proof the universe began unfortunately for modern atheist scientists. They were quite happy until the middle of the 20th century because god was thought to be eternal with no beginning. Universe problem solved. Then the cosmic microwave background radiation (often called the afterglow from the big bang) was discovered by accident! Then the evidence began to snowball for the big bang which tells us god did begin around 14b years ago. So we cant say god is eternal etc. However one of the main attributes of the universe is that(*)it is eternal, and or atemporal. No beginning to something eternal eh? No beginning means of course no creation needed.


either something can come from nothing (gods and universes), or nothing can come from nothing. You can't have it both ways, so make your choice.

 

That's very unusual. Respect being considerably more than mere tolerance (in fact in this usage it means venerate) so can we now assume you venerate satanism, paganism, child sacrifice blood cults, and the hellfire club? Are you completely indiscriminate in venerating beliefs and religions? You did say ALL, so you must be.