Why Mixed Marriage Is NOT Such A Great Idea

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  1. impermanence

    impermanence Well-Known Member

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    Allow me to preface my comments by saying that I am in a mixed marriage myself [second go-round]. I am white and my wife is Asian. As well, I truly enjoy being with all kinds of folks and have had the pleasure of literally knowing thousands of people of differing races and ethnicity as patients. From what I can tell, almost all people are [on the whole] really nice and quite interesting if you get to know them. And it seems that it is cultural differences that make people compelling.

    Having grown up in a upper middle class suburb [my father was a doctor, as well], I remember "helping out" in his office right around the time of the civil rights riots during the 60's (his office was in a nearly all Black urban area).

    Consuming a steady diet of the civil disobedience broadcast on the nightly news, I literally thought my life was at risk being in this area, but not only were these Black folks some of the nicest people I've ever met, I was introduced to an entirely different culture, one very different from my own based on family, faith, and incredible spirit. Even at that tender age, I was in awe of who these people were and how they conducted their lives.

    If the current trend of inter- or mixed marriage continues, at some point there might be just one type of person with essentially the same culture. Can you imagine anything more boring or worse for our species than that?

    Vive la difference!
     
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    LiveUninhibited Well-Known Member

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    Is mixed marriage actually on the rise, or is it just mandated on most major shows these days? I'm not saying you're wrong, just that I haven't seen that data.
     
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    impermanence Well-Known Member

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    I hear ya, but I do believe it is on the rise.

    https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-ta...nd-marriage-50-years-after-loving-v-virginia/

    Key facts about race and marriage, 50 years after Loving v. Virginia
    BY KRISTEN BIALIK



    [​IMG]In 1967, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled in the Loving v. Virginia case that marriage across racial lines was legal throughout the country. Intermarriage has increased steadily since then: One-in-six U.S. newlyweds (17%) were married to a person of a different race or ethnicity in 2015, a more than fivefold increase from 3% in 1967. Among all married people in 2015 (not just those who recently wed), 10% are now intermarried – 11 million in total.


    Here are more key findings from Pew Research Center about interracial and interethnic marriage and families on the 50th anniversary of the landmark Supreme Court decision.

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    Never.

    I don't know why everyone thinks that we're on a race to homogeneity. The mixes are not the same, and the future belongs to those who show up, which means those who actually want children. Given the crisis of fertility, the future looks Amish, Hasidim, and Sub-Saharan African, since those are the people who still want kids.
     
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    impermanence Well-Known Member

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    At least everybody will have access the great furniture!
     
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    HonestJoe Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You appear to be conflating race/skin-colour with culture, which is demonstrably wrong, and long has been. Consider USA compared to Canada or the various European countries. Even within individual countries, you will find all sorts of different cultural and social groupings, all of which developed, change and continue even in largely mono-racial regions. If anything, cross-culture relationships probably lead to entirely new merged cultures more than eradicating any out. That's how pretty much all of the cultures you'd be looking to protect came about in the first place.
     
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    impermanence Well-Known Member

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    I understand your point and agree to a certain extent, but even if you examine a diverse population like the U.S., you will find that within say the white population, inter-marriage among those who are of German, Italian, Russian, etc. extraction has caused a great loss of these cultures, a homogenization, the result being American culture that is what, people who buy stuff?

    An even greater loss would be losing Asian, African, South American, and many of the native cultures that stand for something radically different than submission to the collusion of corporations and governments that desire to see all people as completely predictable [controllable]...the uni-person [one opinion, one set of desires, i.e., empty human beings].
     
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    don't have to marry to have children, just ban birth control to increase the birth rate
     
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    ?
     
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    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    regardless if people marry or not, they can have children

    America is the great melting pot
     
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    Why twist, bend, and contrive a long-winded post based on racial/cultural differences in a marriage? Same-race-domestic heterosexual marriages suffer the same fate. Men and women ...... haven't you yet noticed?
     
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    It's the fabric that's not so great. Who wants to inherit a paisley sofa or a Xhosa-patterned bedspread?
     
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    HonestJoe Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Have you considered that there might be other places where German, Italian, Russian cultures continue? Not everything is all about the USA.

    There isn't really a singular US American culture anyway and there was a time, not all that long ago in the grand scheme of things, when there was no such thing as US American culture at all because there was no USA. Everything that contributes to American cultures developed from the mixture of people who came to make up the country.

    There is some validity to that kind of concern, but it has nothing to do with mixed-marriage (especially not specifically mixed race marriage in the USA), it's largely down to mass-media and global communications.
     
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    impermanence Well-Known Member

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    Of course it is.

    Your point?

    There is some validity to that kind of concern, but it has nothing to do with mixed-marriage (especially not specifically mixed race marriage in the USA), it's largely down to mass-media and global communications.[/QUOTE]Any time you are mixing cultures, you are watering down the differences that make people more interesting. Taken to its conclusion, you end up with one type of person...not so great.
     
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    impermanence Well-Known Member

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    I believe you missed the point.
     
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    .... and I believe that you muddled the point by method of wordiness and in so doing obscured it.
     
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    Well, people of vast cultural difference should not marry if one cannot assimilate into the other culture and if they cannot agree on what customs their children will embrace (language, religion, dress, holidays, social norms). I'd never marry a non-Christian religious person for example. But I would marry a person who is not defined by culture. Somebody from a country that does not embrace any particular customs of said country.

    With that out of the way, I've put on ignore every person in this forum who have either directly or indirectly called my parents race traitors for getting together and having me. Skin pigmentation does not automatically make one inclined to embrace one specific set of customs, contrary to what a lot on this forum have stated in the past.

    One person in this forum has called me a 'cog in the machine' but they cannot directly say it: "If things went my way, you would not be here". Another person has called me a charity case or one to look on with pity because of being confused which community I belong to. As if they know me in real life!

    So culture is something to consider when choosing a life partner. But not this race nonsense.
     
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    What with all of your talk about "embracement" I get the impression that you didn't get much of it at home. Or is it just a lack of vocabulary such as "basically" or "know I'm sayin' " or "in terms of"?
     
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    Alternative terminology could be: "Practice" or "Identify with"
     
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    Thingamabob Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Every one of them is too dramatic. I knew someone whose ancestors were born in Hungary, maybe a hundred and fifty years earlier. Now this guy (nor his parents or grandparents) had ever been to Hungary, didn't speak Hungarian, and KNEW NOTHING about Hungarian culture or its history. But because he was American he would claim "I'm proud of being Hungarian" ..... "embracing it" so to speak. Why do Americans say things like that? Maybe that's the fundamental issue of this thread - not what you are but who you're not.
     
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    All dissimilarities create differing cultures.
     
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    Rubbish. Being black doesn't make you an African.
     
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    How can this be exclusively about the USA when you're talking about cultures from other parts of the world? Even if the USA somehow developed some kind of overarching monoculture, none of those source cultures would be lost.

    My point is that you are demonstrably wrong. Different cultures have been coming together for thousands of years in all sorts of different ways and the outcome has been more new cultures, evolutions or combinations of those source cultures and as often as not, the source cultures continue in some shape or form too. The world has more identifiable cultures today than we had in the past and there is no reason that won't continue.

    And regardless, cross-culture marriages (and certainly mixed race marriages) aren't any kind of key or driving factor in this. If anything, they're consequences of the interactions rather than causes. After all, you can't even have a cross-culture marriage without first working out how the different social, legal and religious concepts of marriage from each culture are combined or reconciled.

    How would that actually work though, given that one person getting married has no impact on all the people who happen to come from the same cultural background? If a British person marries an American, it doesn't magically make me any less British. And the couple themselves will be influenced by each other and so will essentially develop their own new culture, distinct from purely American and purely British ones. We don't end up with two cultures becoming one, we end up with two cultures becoming three.
     
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    Possessing rhythm doesn't make you black or African nor does owning a "low-rider" make you Hispanic. Silly from the outset. "What is culture?" is infinitely more difficult to define than "What is a woman?" ... and yet .........
     
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    The OP seems to be against the great melting pot concept even though it is against human nature, but why worry about that. There are American subcultures that have persisted for hundreds of years like the Mexican Americans in the southwest, Chinese Americans in the northwest, African Americans and Native Americans. Could it be because of racism?
     

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