Why now?

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  1. 2ndaMANdment

    2ndaMANdment New Member

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    The U.S. is known as a very violent nation, and I am not arguing with that. Behind the curtains that this great nation is portrayed to be, we have made some great progress. Right now we are at a 50 year low for homicide rate, which has been declining for 20 years or so, as seen above. The firearm homicide rate has also dropped as seen below.
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    When you look at the graph below, you will also se the homicides by all age groups have been declining for some time now also.
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    So my main question is, with all these stats showing a decrease in gun related homicides and overall homicides for about 20 years, why is gun control a front issue right now? My rights are taking center stage adainst people who think they would somehow be safer if I wasn't a legal gun owner, even though gun ownership percentage has been steady for 16 years, as seen below, an gun murders have declined.
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    So, why now?
     
  2. oldrwizr

    oldrwizr New Member

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    The answer of course lies in the sensational mass killings that have plagued us for decades but in particular since Columbine, 1999. You should cringe every time you hear of a mass shooting because left-wing politicians start to foam at the mouth in gun-grabbing anticipation. Anti-gun people will never see your point of view that more guns make us safer or that any restriction on gun ownership is a 2A violation. They never will. Understanding the other side will make your life easier if all this legislative discourse makes you nervous. I'm glad I'm a moderate. Both sides in this "debate" (yeah, right!) make me sick at times and make sense at times, but neither ever surprises me.
     
  3. allislost

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    The children at Newtown is the reason now.....Should never have happened, but it did.
    No laws or bans would have stopped it.
    No new laws will ever control the human mind or thought process.
     
  4. OrlandoChuck

    OrlandoChuck Well-Known Member

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    Feinstein and the anti gunners in congress wanted to bring these proposals up last summer, but Biden told her she would have to wait till after the election so they could keep their jobs. It was too controversial leading up to the election. Sandy Hook was just a convenient coincidence, because they told her that it would be one of the first things that they do after the election. Obama did not run on a gun control platform but its peculiar that its his first priority after re-election. That's what makes it obvious that this is about an agenda and not about gun violence.
     
  5. LivingNDixie

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    How many children died at Sandy Hook? How many teachers?

    Gun Control does not have to be absolutes.

    Banning large capacity magazines would be good start. It would have prevented much of the carnage in Tuscon. So really the situation is, those people died and got injured for your right to a 30 round magazine. Maybe we should send them gold star benefits since they gave their blood for your freedoms.
     
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    OrlandoChuck Well-Known Member

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    The misconception here is that people think banning these magazines will make it impossible for crazies and criminals to get their hands on one of the millions of them that are already out there. Banning would not have prevented one of any of these mass shootings. It wouldn't even have made it harder on them.
    It's ironic that you mention gold stars.....many U.S. soldier have given their blood to protect our freedoms that you refer to. To restrict 2nd amendment rights in any way would be disrespectful to the men and women that have given their lives for this country.
     
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    A high capacity magazine ban would have prevented the shooters in AZ and CO, of course they could have gone to gun show or to the black market but that would have required the ban and law being broken and maybe law enforcement could have intervened. Law enforcement goes after drug rings no reason they couldn't go after gun rings if there was a law.

    I think you missed my use of sarcasm with the gold star benefits
     
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    wayword son New Member

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    tell me dixi

    how many children "might" have been saved, if the first, or second teacher who stood up to the madman unarmed.....was armed with a gun, and knew how to use it?

    something to think about.
     
  9. wayword son

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    dixie, most times, sarcasm is mean spirited, and i would place that bit, in that category.

    as recipients of the gold star have lost loved ones in war, those men, and women were armed at the time, and defending there country, and loved ones. against tyrants, and madmen.

    as far as the victims of the sandy hook shooting. the children were defenceless, but. the teachers did not abandon them. they died standing up to the madman. they do deserve the honor of the gold star. however, they were denied by your laws, the ability to resist evil, and as such suffered the tragedy of a futile death at the hands of a madman alongside the children they were not allowed to protect.

    that at this time, after this incident. the gun control advocates blather on about irrelevancies such as assault weapons, bayonet lugs, and 30 round magazines.

    and these very scoundrels in seats of power in america, have put in place laws, and continue to strive for more laws that have, and will allow madman, to kill children without abandon in our schools.

    so tell me who are the ones with blood on there hands in this?
     
  10. Spade115

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    I have a question but how many times did he miss...

    Because The shooter had 4 pistols Lets say each pistol had the 10 round magazine.

    He misses 3 shots out of every 10 rounds and kills 3 out of every 7 shots and wounds 3.

    Would it be safe to say all firearm should have a 5 round magazine because he obviously missed 3, wounded 3 and actually hit 4 so people should only have 4-5 round magazines?
     
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    There wouldn't even need to be a black market for standard capacity magazines. The words "Pre-ban" often incur a 30-50% increase in price for a magazine because they are legal vs the non-legal ones if a ban is passed. I read a thread from a manufacturer that is producing 750,000 magazines per day to meet the current demand for magazines and they are being sold as fast as they can produce them. This is only one magazine maker too. You can't get rid of standard capacity magazines.
     
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    Okay - for a start when you post pictures if you do not want to add the URL where you sourced them from untick the little box that says "reference locally" or some such

    For a second, well my graph says it all really

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    Wouldn't you like to be where everyone else is??
     
  13. 2ndaMANdment

    2ndaMANdment New Member

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    Ok so in trying to prove me wrong, you showed me a graph that says the same thing. Our murder rate is declining without strict gun control, and as already stated, we are a violent nation, and as already stated, gun control did not work towards the overall crime/murder for countries with strict ones.
     
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    I dont like being where others are so Tx is fine with me :p @Bower :p
     

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