Why should Hobby Lobby's employees have to pay for Hobby Lobby's religious values?

We definitely disagree. So be it.

 

We are a spoiled nation.

 

Since Hobby Lobby is paying for 16 of 20 methods of birth control, birth control is clearly not the issue. The issue is the liberals domination of all religions except theirs. Historically, religions have always attacked other religions. That's one of the reasons the left hates the 1st Amendment and want to eliminate it.

 

Bottom line: employers aren't imposing anything as their employees are free to continue buying birth control and having as much sex as they want without fear of being fired, as long as they do their job. Don't treat preventing pregnancy like it's in the same category as preventing cancer or preventing heart disease. It isn't, and it certainly isn't in the same category as treating a physiological dysfunction, as you implied with your comment about Viagra.

 

The agreement between the employee and employer on pay and benefits has nothing to do with government. Employees can choose not to agree and work somewhere else.

 

In this case, the government has directed the company to make health care part of that compensation, so your point is moot. It doesn't belong to the employer or the employee, it belongs to the insurance company.

 

And their employees can decide they're employers are nuts and seek employment elsewhere, which will force the employers to decide between nutty religious beliefs and viable business practices. Perhaps like-minded employees will finally have a place to work without having to compromise THEIR religious convictions.

 

Liberals are trying to keep healthcare costs down. That's it. Religion shouldn't even factor into that equation.

 

Women NEED birth control.

Keep religion out of people's lives, if they don't ask for it to be in their lives.

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All Americans need a PUBLIC OPTION, to keep bigotry like that which Hobby Lobby espouses from affecting their lives.

 

Yes yes, we know, liberals are all for civil liberties unless it is civil liberties they don't like. You keep missing a significant point. Keep government out of religion.

 

This blanket statement is patently false. A more accurate statement is that some women need certain forms of birth control. That is a small percentage of the female population and should not be used to justify a government mandate to cover all forms of contraception for the sake of lifestyle choices. There is absolutely nothing religious about this, I don't know why you keep bringing that up.

 

Where or who is such an institution here?

 

Women are capable of providing their own birth control and no one else should be forced to provide it. No one should have to disguise property rights as religious freedom in the first place.

 

Yeah, I think you've got it backwards. That's like Sally saying, "you're my employee, I don't want to have to pay for your personal choices", and Joe saying, "you're employer, you should pay for my guns and ammo! I don't want to have to pay for your political choices!" Joe obviously has misplaced the onus.

 

Lol, it's funny how quickly people throw around words like "bigotry" when they're the ones saying things like we need to have public option so that women can get birth control. Dude, it's as cheap as $9/mo. I pay more for a box of condoms that doesn't give half the benefits, they're just ultra - basic birth control rubbers.

 

Not buying x for another person is forcing your views on them? So If I want you to buy me guns and you won't, then you're forcing your views on me? Try to explain how not doing x (where x is giving employees 4/20 forms of birth control) is forcing your religious views on someone, but doing y (which forces business owners to do things that violate their deeply held religious beliefs) isn't forcing your religious views on anyone.

 

“We should be afraid of this court, that five guys are determining which contraceptions are legal or not...It’s not her boss’ business.” ~ Pelosi

News Flash - The high court simply found that a religious freedom law which was co-sponsored by none other than — wait for it — Nancy Pelosi, sometimes protects corporations from being forced to violate their religious beliefs.

 

Yes I do see the value of separating church and state. There is no church/state synthesis here. You are making it up. Hobby Lobby isn't the government and no employee of theirs has to work for them. If this were a government agency or government controlled institution (like a public school) then you would have a point. Hobby Lobby is a PRIVATE company.

 

There is a separation issue and that was determined by the court separating church and state by shooting down a dictatorial mandate from government.

 

What about the perception that artificial persons can not have subjective moral and human values; the owners or corporate management are always welcome to abstain and just say "no" instead of making more rules with enough "gold" to hire more lawyers. I thought only the public sector did that.

 

The court said no to a dictatorial government mandate. Nuff said.

 

What are you talking about? Our federal Congress is delegated the social Power to fix Standards for the Union, and to provide for the general welfare, by the People.

Who delegated any social Power to the owners or corporate management to make subjective moral value judgments for others?

I believe that should require some some social input from the employees.

 

Read the constitution, you might learn something.

 

And you forgot to add, keep your religion out of government. whodathunkit with all these religious demagogues on the republican spreadsheet?

 

nothing but diversion?

I did read it; why do you think I am asking these questions.

Our federal Congress is delegated the social Power to fix Standards for the Union, and to provide for the general welfare, by the People.

Who delegated any social Power to the owners or corporate management to make subjective moral value judgments for others?

I believe that should require some some social input from the employees and that form of collective or committee.