Why the Opposition to Universal Background Checks?

the two parties drive to the nearest FFL, and pay him $5 to do the NICS check.

 

And so the follow-up question would be "How do you implement complete registration?" Do they expect criminals to just 'comply' and register their weapons?

I have a safe full of guns. Some of them are older than anyone here, and have been in my family for 3 generations. All are in perfect working order. How would the government compile a list of these, without breaching "unreasonable search and seizure" laws?

I was told by a certain left-wing yahoo here that the social security folks, in the light of paying 6 million people over the age of 112 benefits, could not possibly muster the manpower to find them and verify they weren't actually dead. Yet, they seem to think forcibly registering a half million guns seems like a no-brainer.

 

Here is what the anti gun activists hope and know will happen in many cases.

Some guys in the sticks won't bother to be hassled with that and will consummate a sale with no ill intent. But then the gun banners can label both of them "criminals" and strip them of their right to ever own another gun if they are somehow caught. Gun banners love laws that IMPOSE affirmative duties on gun owners. History shows that many gun owners will not execute such actions and criminal intent is usually not the reason. In Cincinnati, an AWB was passed and if you wanted your weapon(s) grandfathered you had to register them. Less than 100 were registered, I know for a fact there were THOUSANDS of such weapons covered by that law in the City proper.

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My favorite contradiction of the anti gun types is this

1) there is so much gun crime being committed that the rights of honest Americans must be destroyed in order to keep some criminals from getting guns BUT

2) there is not enough crime to justify honest people carrying pistols or having the same magazine capacity as what cops use for self defense against criminals

 

How do you ENFORCE them? They are useless if there is no way to make everyone get them. So your solution is that they are voluntary?
If the government doesn't know I own the gun, how do they know if I sell it?

 

yes, it will be based on the honor system.

but the ATF will do random stings around the country to make sure folks are following the law.

 

Or in some cases, much much more. Around here it is $25 but in some other States it is more.

So, now for a face to face sale between friends, they have to increase their carbon footprint, during house the FFL is open, pay an FFL. Everyone knows the only way to enforce something like this is with firearm registration.


Exploiting the Gun Show Loophole. Or Not.

 

like warrantless searches, in the middle of the night with a whole unit of swat behind them.

 

confiscation has many in-roads. Insurance? registration UBC's? registration transfer a weapon? registration.
We all know, those of us who deal with reality, that forcing law abiding citizens will not reduce the number of guns held by gang bangers or other rascals

 

In violation of the 4th amendment you mean? See how your "reasonable gun laws" starts intruding on other enumerated rights?

 

So this only applies to law abiding 'honorable' people? This proposal is designed to stem the rising tide of honest law-abiding people selling guns to criminals?

 

then we get into the 5th A. If you register your firearm, you have just surrendered that Right because you have already testified against yourself. There can be no denying that you have a gun, once it is declared illegal to possess said gun.

 

In other words this will do nothing to keep guns out of the hands of bad guys.
Straw purchases are done intentionally for money. This will not slow straw purchases down one bit.
The BATF admittedly does not have the resources to keep up with the oversight of legit guns dealers.
Even if they could do stings, it would only pertain to advertised guns for sale. Straw purchasers don't advertise, they already have plenty of hood rats to sell to.

 

Simply because you are told something by one in a position of public office, that does not make it a matter of the truth.

Perhaps you require a reminder of the numerous times any politician has gone on record of saying one thing, only to contradict themselves at a later point?

Or perhaps you simply do not care to exercise independent thought, and are more comfortable with accepting at face value whatever your elected officials tell you is for your own good.

 

no, they will simply respond to magazine, newspaper, and internet ads offering a gun for sale, and try to buy it without a background check.

if the seller says "sure, we don't need no stinkin background check", he gets busted.

 

I have some oceanfront property in Arizona to sell you.

 

my used firearms purchased by me are all legal and none of them went through any magazine or newspapers.
It isn't any business of any government to know what I own.

now back to what you claim was totally insensible...You think because you are required to register your firearms in YOUR state, you insist that others do it. You are required, I am not.

 

Cars have a different primary purpose, one that does not involve killing. Guns have only one purpose--denial of the right to life.

 

really? I was on two world teams. I never ever shot anything alive with my Two K-80 skeet guns. Two time Olympic champion Vince Hancock shoots thousands of targets each year with a Beretta DT-10 or DT-11, what was the purpose of his guns? every friday night during the summer, my wife and son and I shoot steel matches. the guns we use are specialized competition guns such as the CZ Czechmate. what lives are being denied by those guns.

 

My guns have the purpose of protecting my family from those who would deny our right to life.

 

i dont care about registration

 

I suspect the brits who said the same thing about 20 years ago are rethinking their positions

 

i meant "i don't feel we need to register more guns"

 

OK, thanks for the clarification.

 

sure ya do. It's always been about registration with your posts. YOU are required to register your guns in your state. Because you have to, everyone else should too. You've submitted to some form of UBC, correct? You have to register your long guns, do you not? and you would demand that the rest of us do so. Why not just tell your local government NO?

 

It's worse than that. Not only do they have to register every gun they own with the state, they have to get a license to qualify to own a gun. New York holds all the cards and decided if you are worthy of self protection while tightening restrictions on scary looking guns and magazine sizes so small that most guns cannot be fully loaded.