Why the Second Amendment needs to be amended or abolished

Ive answered these questions above. There is a standard definition and I provided it.

 

Good idea, eliminate all gun laws and there will be no more gun crimes, problem solved, what a bright idea, you are a true genius.

 

There is not a standard definition.
What you have provided, like most of all of us on forums, is an opinion.

 

It is like banging my head against a brick wall.
My still unanswered question is why two not massively dissimilar societies, with probably the same proportion of nutcases and criminals i.e the UK and the USA have such astonishingly different numbers when it comes to homicide by guns.
Isn't the answer the most sensible one?
That those two societies have a big difference in gun availability? And determined people in the UK can get hold of a gun if they try hard enough. It is the casual availability of guns that is the issue isn't it?
Why can't American posters simply acknowledge that, even be honest in saying it is because it pleases large sections of the American population, and admit that spree killings is the price they're prepared to pay?
That would be the honest truth surely?

 

Your perspective has no bearing on the facts I've provided, deny them if you must.

 

Your cherry picked statistics aside, would you care to explain how the US ranks only 30th in gun violence? How does a country like Venezuela have substantially more gun violence per Capita (at about 10 times the rate) yet has some of the strictest gun laws in the world?

This demonstrates that your attempt at correlation has no basis with the causation you put forth.

 

Would you care to discuss the disparity in amounts of rape, robbery, and assault in the UK vs. the US?

Go ahead and look at page 2 here:
https://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/compare/United-Kingdom/United-States/Crime

"Rape victims 0.9%
Ranked 6th. 2 times more than United States "

"Murders > WHO 6.6
Ranked 83th. 18% more than United States"

"Assault victims 2.8%
Ranked 2nd. 2 times more than United States "

"Total crime victims 26.4%
Ranked 3rd. 25% more than United States "

To me it appears the US is less of a nation of victims than the UK.

Freedom does come at a price. I'm cool with it.

They should bring back Mental Hospitals, though.

 

The table you link actually compares murders with firearms which is basically the topic here.
Can you see the difference?
Can you explain why?

 

There's the fatal flaw in your argument.

They are massively dissimilar.

The US is a country; Britain is a nation-State.

The US has a heterogeneous population; Britain has a homogeneous population.

The US is a republic; Britain is an hereditary monarchy, although it does have a parliamentary system.

The US is a federation; Britain is a unitary-State.

American and British culture are vastly different. I could go on, but I'm hoping you get the point.

Q: How many people smuggle guns, drugs, and people across a largely unguarded border into Britain?
A: None. England's an island, mate.

Let's put Britain on the border of Mexico and see what your gun problem is like.

 

Wjy was the homicide rate for the US 10x that of the UK for most of the 20th century but since the 1996 NFA that ratio has dropped to only 5 to 1, even though the US has added 150 million or more guns since 1996?

Why was the England/Wales homicide rate 1.22 in 1995 and 2016, even though the access to handguns in England/Wales was severely curtailed?

Culturally, the US and the UK aren't that similar.

 

I agree. Spree killings using guns are very uncommon in the United Kingdom.

 

I explained that with this:

The US has a heterogeneous population; Britain has a homogeneous population.

Countries have multiple cultures because they are homogeneous. Nation-States have a single culture. Denmark, Norway, Sweden, Austria, Ireland, Japan, etc etc are all nation-States just like each of the 567 "Native American" tribes are a nation-State unto themselves.

You're missing the whole point.

It's about culture. You tolerate kings and queens and royalty.

We do not.

The mind-set of those who live in a monarchy is very different than the mind-set of those who don't.

Witness STUPID-19.

People who lived in kingdoms masked-up and did whatever government told them to do like good little boys and girls because that is their mind-set.

American culture is different. We don't like government telling us what to do.

Not relevant. You don't need a BA in Political Science, an MA in Political Science and a PhD in International Relations like I do to understand the difference between a federation, a confederation or a unitary-State.

Those are the only three choices by the way.

Language is only one facet of culture.

Is George Washington one of your heroes? I don't think so.

Likewise, there are Germans in Romania, but Conrad Adenauer isn't one of their heroes.

I was quoting Charlie from LOST. That's what he said to Desmond. Obviously you fail to appreciate the humor.

So, what, you're claiming that Irish drug cartels grow coca plants in Ireland?

Or are you claiming they grow poppies in Ireland?



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Yesterday in the UK a shotgun was used in a spree in Plymouth (hand guns have been banned for years). Six people died in the incident which is all over the news. RIP to those who have died.
One fact is that it is shocking because it is so unusual, the worst such incident in the UK for over 10 years.
It looks like a ‘domestic’ initially. When the facts come out I doubt they will show that the victims would have survived had they been armed.
I post this news in order to reinforce my point comparing the UK where guns are heavily restricted, to the USA where it seems guns are freely available.

 

I'm guessing this is your fault more on that in a minute.
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My still unanswered question is why two not massively dissimilar societies, with probably the same proportion of nutcases and criminals i.e the UK and the USA have such astonishingly different numbers when it comes to homicide by guns.


Isn't the answer the most sensible one?[/QUOTE] well sure the most sensible explanation is they don't share a border with a country like Mexico. So organized crime such as cartels probably are non-existent there.



There's a lot of sensible answers

see I knew it was your fault. Do you want everyone to jump to the same conclusion you have. And if they don't you commence to smacking your head against a brick wall.

Your skull will break before the wall does. And that's on purpose.

If you can't handle people with different viewpoints than you you should probably find a different hobby.

That doesn't make any sense. So because I can get a gun I'm compelled to go murder somebody? Why?

acknowledge what? That because I can get a gun I'm compelled to go murder people?

I don't acknowledge ridiculous things unless you can do a better job explaining it.

that isn't the honest truth.

Killing sprees have occurred All through Time in countries long before guns even ever existed.

 

My still unanswered question is why two not massively dissimilar societies, with probably the same proportion of nutcases and criminals i.e the UK and the USA have such astonishingly different numbers when it comes to homicide by guns.


Isn't the answer the most sensible one?[/QUOTE] well sure the most sensible explanation is they don't share a border with a country like Mexico. So organized crime such as cartels probably are non-existent there.



There's a lot of sensible answers
see I knew it was your fault. Do you want everyone to jump to the same conclusion you have. And if they don't you commence to smacking your head against a brick wall.

Your skull will break before the wall does. And that's on purpose.

If you can't handle people with different viewpoints than you you should probably find a different hobby.

That doesn't make any sense. So because I can get a gun I'm compelled to go murder somebody? Why?
acknowledge what? That because I can get a gun I'm compelled to go murder people?

I don't acknowledge ridiculous things unless you can do a better job explaining it.
that isn't the honest truth.

Killing sprees have occurred All through Time in countries long before guns even ever existed.[/QUOTE]

It has been mention in a round about way already, but what is the connection between a border with Mexico and spree killings in the USA?

 

I gave you several answers for that question you didn't like any of them because they don't fit your narrative.

I didn't make that connection why would I? Killing sprees represent less than 1% of murders even murders committed by firearms.

Why would I focus on the most rare event?

 

My answers focused on the question you asked you just didn't like it.

One cannot talk about crime in the US without bringing up organized crime. Organized crime in the US a lot of it anyway is based out of Mexico.

I brought up Mexico and it's relation to the US because it's a fundamental difference between the UK the US that you don't want to recognize because it doesn't adhere to your narrative.

 

And another fundamental difference between the UK and the US is the availability of guns.

 

True, but what's strange is what has happened internally to each country over the years with regards to the availability of guns. For most of the 20th century, the US had ten times the homicide rate if England/Wales; for this century it's dropped to just five times that of England/Wales, and that's after the draconian 1996 NFA laws.

In 1995, the homicide rate in England/Wales was 1.22. In 2016 it was 1.22, even after confiscation of virtually every handgun. The US homicide rate dropped 34% over that same time period even while adding another 150 million plus firearms.

Availability of firearms isn't the driving factor you hope it is, nor is the availability of firearms in the US likely to ever change

 

If the availability does not change what’s to be done about the spree killings.
If it is about psychology and mental health, particularly designed to act as an intervention, to what extent are mental health services available in that regard to the whole population?
Does the American health system, what with insurance and suchlike, extend to everybody?

 

Guns don't cause crime though. Criminals do.