Why there are growing negative sentiments against migrants?

If you are pro illegal immigration, then you are pro SLAVE labor. Illegal immigration allows employers to abuse their employees and break all kinds of laws regarding employment that the rest of us enjoy, like healthcare and other benefits. It also brings down our median wages and prevents some legal American citizens (usually low skilled but not always) get jobs. I would say the harm outweighs any good.

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And don't even start with the "Americans won't do these jobs." Americans already do these jobs. No business can hire 100% illegal immigrants, so yes, there are Americans already doing these kinds of jobs.

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Also, they aren't screened for communicable diseases or criminal background or if they are wanted, etc.

 

This isn't an issue about "pro-illegal" immigration as you call it. Bigotry means that people can only see things from their point of view. You keep forgetting. Many of the anti-immigrant arguments you see today were things I argued in the 1980s and 1990s. It's not a question of legal v. illegal.

The issue IS, Do you believe that unalienable Rights come from the government and that man is born with Rights that are above the reach of government Or do you think government grants rights? John Adams, our second president, said:

"[You have Rights] antecedent to all earthly governments: Rights, that cannot be repealed or restrained by human laws; Rights, derived from the Great Legislator of the universe."

Now, either you believe that presupposition or you don't. It is a foundational principle upon which our Republic rests. That does not mean you have to believe it, but you may not enjoy the Rights you do had it not been for those who fought, bled and died in order to establish that principle.

When the Constitution was signed, it was pretty much established that the Constitution was much like a contract between we, the people and that entity called government with taxes being the consideration. The Constitution, in the Preamble, states:

"We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."

In the case of Dred Scott v. Sanford, the United States Supreme Court ruled:

"The language of the Declaration of Independence is equally conclusive:

It begins by declaring that, 'when in the course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth the separate and equal station to which the laws of nature and nature's God entitle them, a decent respect for the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.'

It then proceeds to say: 'We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all men are created equal; that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights; that among them is life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness; that to secure these rights, Governments are instituted, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed.'

The general words above quoted would seem to embrace the whole human family, and if they were used in a similar instrument at this day would be so understood. But it is too clear for dispute, that the enslaved African race were not intended to be included, and formed no part of the people who framed and adopted this declaration;...

"no State can, by any act or law of its own, passed since the adoption of the Constitution, introduce a new member into the political community created by the Constitution of the United States."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dred_Scott_v._Sandford

In short, until the Fourteenth Amendment was passed, only whites could be citizens of the United States. Today, anybody can become a citizen, but the 14th Amendment is clear: ANYONE on U.S. soil is now guaranteed the same "rights" as the rest of us. Petitioning Congress to make it hard on people you like to call "illegals" only makes it hard on the citizens of the United States. It is that little equal protection thing.

People can get mad at me all they want, but they have never had to fight for their Life or Liberty in a court when an American is being victimized by the so - called "Patriot Act" which was passed under the pretext of saving us from foreigners and terrorists.

Now, Chris I've already addressed the issue as to whether or not you want people here. If you shop at Walmart, you can exit this thread now. NOBODY forces you to shop there AND Walmart has been convicted of knowingly hiring subcontractors using undocumented workers. If the price was right, you shopped there and you can't expect the government to hold your hand. You should know who you are buying from.

As for background checks:

You got to be freaking kidding. Do you think Mexico, who teaches their citizens how to avoid immigration officials, is going to tell the U.S. immigration officials who is a criminal and who isn't??? If Mexico don't want the problem, the criminal might be presented to us as a saint. Furthermore, think about the so - called "legal" variety of immigrant. Omar Mateen underwent background checks. According to one article:

'This man held multiple security licenses. He had an armed and an unarmed licence. He passed the background check that every single person who purchases a firearm in the state of Florida undergoes — A full background check, there is no such thing as an abbreviated background check."

You are advocating a violation of our Fourth Amendment guarantees and there is NO proof it serves any logical purpose. Benjamin Franklin once said that "He who would give up essential Liberty for the promise of temporary Safety deserves neither Liberty nor Safety." That's because once you give up Liberty, it costs you Safety no matter what the promised benefit.

Should you get tired of presenting the partisan hack arguments, I can show you some realistic solutions. Hey, I could afford to go back to the America before the 14th Amendment; could you?

 

Yes yes we get it, you want more illegals, open borders, unalienable rights for no n americans, our country is for them more so than for us.....Yes yes we get it. You don't have to write a book and then copy and paste other BS to tell us you want this to become Mexico.

Great for you.

 

I had a boss that used to say that a man who could not use his brain may as well have been born with two Axxholes. That is indicative of the Build the Wall advocates.

I tell a man I can live without the 14th Amendment and what does he accuse me of? Well, okay I can live with "open borders," but the reality is they've been open since the first colonists set foot here. Let's talk about what the "Build the Wall" advocates want.

First, they don't give a damn about the Fourth Amendment. They are happy to live in a world where every day an individual is required to do a pee test, give a hair sample, criminal background check this, credit check that, and MVR report just for the privilege of living. They are the people that would sell their souls if it would get rid of the little brown people.

They say they can live with terrorists or foreign corporations buying up America - after all, they did it all "legal" like. Colleges have so many non-Americans that white males are a minority in the college population. It's not a big loss because a lot of them buy into this bigot B.S. about so - called "illegal aliens" and they can't afford to have a productive and meaningful conversation about the subject.

They want drones in the sky, cops that can ignore the requirements to get a warrant to do a search, and a ONE WORLD POLICE / MILITARY force if they can just promise to get rid to the people from south of the border (that make up over 90 percent of their perceived problem.

To Hell with personal responsibility; they demand that the government protect them from themselves. They lack the intelligence and the courage to seek out reasonable solutions and ask themselves how they got into this predicament. Furthermore, if you were to ask them with their leadership from a decade or so ago is today, they would look at you with a blank look. May I?

The first guy to try and revive David Duke's (Ku Klux Klan) Border Watch from 1977 was Jim Gilchrist. He was exposed as being a crook and a racist. His second in command was Chris Simcox. Simcox was a bona fide neo-nazi that had a friend in the anti - immigrant cause. Simcox would be exposed as not only a nazi, but a child molester as well. His next in command, J.T. Ready would commit a mass shooting AND then commit suicide.

http://crooksandliars.com/david-neiwert/final-nail-minuteman-coffin-simcox-b

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQ6owsJTCYI

Their next in command was Shawna Forde. She was convicted of murdering those people the Build the Wall advocates:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMZGy7QbaLc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=crc42Jbh6PI

This is the legacy that the leadership of the Build the Wall advocates left behind. And, when someone comes along, asking that these people use their brains and think about another strategy, they all sound the same Pavlovian conditioned responses being hurled at me because they cannot think outside the box - nor do they want to EVEN AS POLLSTERS ARE TELLING THEM THAT THEIR VIEW IS THE MINORITY VIEW AND THE DEMOCRATS WILL WIN IF IT COMES DOWN TO THIS ISSUE.

Oh, if I don't jump on the bandwagon and support a strategy that has failed for the last fifteen years AND destroyed every leader that took up the mantra then I am an "illegal loving S.O.B." The entire Build the Wall lobby could not put their brains together and get enough charge to blow even one's nose. So, when the only thing they can do is to hurl insults at me, they've lost the debate.

I'm telling you as a matter of FACT, and I always invite people into my office, that most of the people on that side of the issue have been taken out of the fight by their own ill thought out "solutions." I've already explained WHY they cannot win - and I'm being criticized for telling the truth? I've already stated that I am not dependent upon foreigners for anything. At the same time, NOBODY is going to attack my unalienable Rights.

Now, if someone wants to have a productive conversation (and HELL NO, I'm not on the left of this issue), then we can move forward. I won't respond very well to insults by people that don't have any answers.

 

I would first ask, what are 'migrants' doing which might attract negative sentiments?

I'm a quasi migrant, married to a migrant (of colour), in a white country, and my entire family (of whites, mixed race, and black migrants) feels the same way as your 'stupid' people. If migrants make an effort to fit in and respect the laws and culture of their new home, no one but the most intractable bigot is going to have a problem with them. We are 'intolerant' of migrants who segregate themselves and who demonstrably dislike the white majority. It has nothing to do with race or skin colour, and everything to do with behaviour.

 

I met a guy who thought copying and pasting everyone else's ideas and using them to cloud his argument made him intellectual.

I want to debate, not read your favorite bookmarks.

Basically all you are saying is

-you like open borders

- you want to make me out to be a racist/bigot

- say you don't wanna a have a intellectuall conversation with someone who throws out insults, yet you throw out a ton of your own

- copy and paste , link link link link

- and basically you do not care about the future of this nation and you will not mind to see it turn into a 3rd world (*)(*)(*)(*) hole because you want head gasket jobs done for $100 because you are too damned cheap to pay an honest worker a truly fair price.

Yes, we get it.

 

You are repeating yourself. Insofar as insults, I am not insulting you, but rather the dum basses you rely on for talking points. You drew first blood. Now you can't take it? Okay, you stop insulting me and I'll challenge your intellect.

Debate is okay, but in the past everybody criticized me not NOT having links to back up my point. Now, you're mad that I do have proof? Other than your insults, what do you have? So far you haven't even shown enough intelligence to acknowledge that I think America has an immigration problem.

Whatever sickness infects your mind, it dulls the creative part of thinking. I hire people that do the job that I can afford to pay. If you or someone else wants a job, I will hire you at what I can realistically pay. That's better than corporate America - like Mickey Ds; they would rather invest in robotic than to pay people a livable wage. Do I want to see America taken over? You're going to challenge me on who is taking over America while you remain mum on a system that allows enemies of America to come here because they follow some cockamamie "legal" way? You're okay with that. Take the country, just do it "legally?" Really???? I don't care about the future of this nation and YOU are okay with terrorists coming here so long as they enter by some spurious "legal" process?

That is the first mistake you make in slinging allegations at me. The second mistake you made is that you claim that this about some "legal" deal with the people that don't have papers. Please explain your "intellectual" argument when the following are true:

1) The immigration laws have not changed for over half a century

2) The demographics and the population HAVE changed dramatically during that period

3) Your entire theory is predicated on selling the public a LIE. There is this insinuation that people who come here without papers are criminals; however, improper entry is a civil violation, not a criminal violation

4) As it relates to this thread topic, there is a sentiment against undocumented foreigners based upon even more LIES. You claimed that the undocumented do not pay taxes. That was proven, unequivocally, to be a LIE.

All that aside, I think America has an immigration problem. We are flooding America with people from foreign countries with foreign ideologies AND even ideologies that put us at risk (i.e. the many terrorists who have come here "legally" as you characterize it.) As stated, they buy / start large corporations and occupy chairs in our colleges. The bulk of it has little benefit to people like you or I.

Rest assured, IF the people from south of the border were not profitable for America, they would not be here. The rich and the corporations would find a way to get rid of them. You absolutely cannot solve a problem when you start out with a LIE. But, just because people are here from south of the border does not mean it is a good thing. If you want intellectual conversation, you have to have perspective.

I work for a company that held a meeting a few months ago. For the second year in a row, the company told the workers that the company was doing good, but not where they wanted to be. So, while their profits were going up, the employees would not get a raise. That is the perfect analogy to what is going on in America. Business does better; the presence of immigrant labor is always a sign of a prospering economy.

So, from an economic viewpoint, you don't have a case. IF, however, you wanted to argue the long term impact on the average standard of living, the change in demographics and the threat to our culture by the influx of foreigners - not "illegal aliens," but foreigners, you might have an intellectual objection to the way things are going.

The "solutions" you bring to the table came from the leadership that dreamed up the talking points you brought to the table. Before those guys had that idiotic notion of building a wall around the United States, they wanted to ship the black people to Africa. If you want an intellectual conversation, you might want to weigh how silly it sounds that you're getting your boxers in a bunch because some people don't have human registration papers and the guys REALLY killing your fellow Americans did go through some nonsensical "legal" process. You don't see the inconsistency of such a position?

Let me give you the real straight skinny. See if you can keep up.

Many years ago I was sitting in meetings and listening to the same load of hooey that you bring to the table. I didn't want to be on the side that the anti-immigrants are on because they made the same, silly argument. So, I'm thinking... If there is no concern for our cultural values and this is all about a piece of paper from the government, then we should help those people do the "right" thing as the anti-immigrant people would proclaim. And so I went to work in immigration law and found out that the anti-immigrant lobby was outraged even more. They would say, "We just want those people gone. They don't belong here." What???

You have foreigners controlling the news media and changing our form of government. That's okay. We have terrorists walking our streets and that's okay. We lose chairs to foreigners in our colleges and that's okay. They got their human registration papers. They're all legal so that means they can pose a threat and it's perfectly acceptable. What a load of horse manure, GeddonM3!

A guy comes here from Mexico to work a minimum wage job. He gets an ITIN and pays taxes. He don't want to be a citizen. WHY would you want him to be? If he becomes a citizen, he then has an equal say in your government. If he didn't belong here in the first place, what changed with a freaking piece of paper? Or you're just really hung up on the surveillance society? You want an intellectual discussion and what you're saying to me doesn't make horse sense. It's okay for people to come here, lock us out of the job market, take our seats in colleges, start corporations where the profits go to a foreign country, kill our citizens on our streets in terrorist acts and that's acceptable over some Hitler inspired notion that everybody needs a freaking piece of paper in order to exist????? Intellectual?

 

15 chapters of a book you have written so far and all you had to say was you support illegal immigration, the overcrowding and regression of our public schools , less jobs, creating more welfare, and in the end the turn of this nation into a 3rd world (*)(*)(*)(*) hole.


Again, we get it.

 

I've said nothing of the sort. Again You LIE. YOU want to destroy America. You want it to be a third world cesspool without the benefit of unalienable Rights; without the Liberties our forefathers fought, bled and died for.

You get nothing because you understand nothing. You need a big socialistic government in order to protect you from yourself. Now, if you keep up the insults, I WILL respond. Don't presume to tell me what I'm for. That is not an intellectual discussion. That is a chickensh!+ attack. Period.

If you care so much about the schools, educate yourself. The solution there is to get the federal government out of the public schools. Put education in the hands of the state and local governments. Work toward erasing the belief that people have a "right" to an education. You should have gleaned that from my previous post. If education were a privilege of citizenship and not a government created privilege parading around under the guise of a "right," it would take the argument off the table.

Quit using name calling, hypocrisy and lying. State your case. You wanted a debate. Do you even know what one is?

 

Sorry, but we are talking about ILLEGAL immigrants here. Your argument makes little sense. A man (and woman) is born with rights but that doesn't mean they have the right to break laws and enter other countries illegally. There are procedures that are in place for a reason.

 

And your point? You're joining the side that makes a big deal out of a civil offense that results in a $250 fine and deportation. The "reason" we have procedures in place are to insure people are regulated. But, again, the law FAILED to do that. The procedures are failing us right now and terrorists are coming in "legally" while people that are willing to come here CAN'T come in.

The thing that whizzes me off about this entire discussion is the abject dishonesty by which the anti - immigrants try to gain the higher ground... even telling me I don't make sense while they open the doors to terrorists... JUST LIKE YOU JUST DID.

IF you're going to make this pretentious argument that the laws are in place to serve some purpose, at least be honest as to what you think that purpose is. I've been debating the anti-immigrant lobby on this point for over fifteen years. They think the purpose is to deny entry. Anybody that expects us to believe anything different is peeing down our necks and telling us it's raining.

Okay, big freaking deal. Somebody commits a civil misdemeanor. For that, the anti - immigrant lobby wants to employ the death penalty - and barring that, steal everything the immigrant has, rape them and send them south of the border. I won't presume to be your moral conscience, but here are a FEW things wrong with their proposed "solutions."

1) Because of the 14th Amendment (which I oppose BTW, but don't let the truth get in the way), MILLIONS of people in this country without papers have children born in the U.S. making the children U.S. citizens

2) Being U.S. citizens, the federal government has no jurisdiction to deport them and

3) Even if we tried to deport those children, foreign countries are not bound to accept U.S. citizens

4) That's completely moot as we're talking a civil misdemeanor and I can promise all of you that the United States Supreme Court will not break up families and deport millions of people

5) Even the so-called "illegal immigrant" is entitled to Due Process AND they have "rights" AND one of those "rights" is Liberty. To strip them of their homes, split up their families, and screw up their lives over a piece of freaking paper would constitute cruel and unusual punishment as per the Eighth Amendment thanks to the Fourteenth Amendment (which I did not endorse in the first place.) Don't let the facts get in your way

6) I'm telling you that there are no "legal" avenues for millions of people to follow in order to get into the United States. So, the law serves no purpose. Guess what happens when I advocate creating a Guest Worker program with no automatic path to citizenship; make those here pay fines, any back taxes and get the damn papers. The anti-immigrant lobby is against it. They want a solution that will be shot down in the courts. They know it

7) The anti - immigrant lobby has already spent TRILLIONS OF DOLLARS on pork barrel projects aimed at getting rid of Hispanics. They've tried the so - called "Patriot Act," National ID / REAL ID Act and E Verify. For the immigrants, they have taken away the Miranda warnings and the right to a presumption of innocence

Anti immigrants, too silly to review the facts, cannot understand that the Rights they deny to the foreigners are used as precedent to take rights away from AMERICANS. They don't give a damn either so long as it isn't them. Ask them about the founders of their anti-immigrant religion over the last two decades - they're all dead, in prison, or hiding out with their lengthy criminal records - UNABLE TO UNDERSTAND, THEY SET THE VERY PRECEDENT THAT PUT THEM THERE!

9) If you want people to come here "legally," put a procedure in place that anticipates the reason people are here in the first place. When you have 1000 janitor jobs available and 10,000 visas for fruit pickers, you have to ask yourself in all reality - what IS the purpose of these immigration laws. Whether we agree or not with the sentiment, we can't use the immigration laws to deny people entry just because you don't like them

10) What I said previously don't make sense to you because you don't want to answer the questions. You don't want to tell us what the real problem is; your side just wants to deny the obvious. The problem is, when it's put to a vote, the liberals will win and you'll get NOTHING. If I was where GeddonM3 contends, I wouldn't say a damn thing. I'd let you lose. You've been schooled.

 

Sorry, but we have procedures in place for a good reason.

1. Communicable diseases that our population has already defeated and no longer get vaccinations for. These have the potential to start "outbreaks." Hence medical/health screening.
2. Criminal record screening. You can make all the lame excuses you want, but if people are not screened then there is no way to know if they are even a wanted fugitive, which is always a possibility.
3. No paper trails. If they commit a crime or other scenario (maybe they are the victim of a crime and murdered?), then there is no way to know who this person really is unless someone comes forward.
4. Jobs. We are a country of over 300 million people, and there are not enough jobs even for our own LEGAL citizens. Slave labor drives down wages and/or keeps them stagnant.

 

I thought we were friends. You are trying to pee down my neck, tell me it's raining and then tell me I don't make sense when I tell you the truth.

1) How long did you work in immigration law? If you're right, prove me wrong. I'll give you five cases. Work them. Prove me wrong and I'll give you $125 per hour and a two year contract for at least that much

2) Why don't we institute your ideas for Americans that want to travel from one state to another?

3) So if a person gets murdered, dies, or does something wrong, we won't know who they are????? WTH?

4) So you think that every guest that goes through this country is subject to endless background checks, health checks, etc.?????

You would have made Hitler proud. Look, if you want people to be regulated, PUT THE MECHANISM IN PLACE. It would help if you read the thread before posting nonsense that only one other guy is going to Amen every few misguided sentences.

I have to ask again: How come we don't simply pass a Guest Worker program, get those that are here to pay back taxes, if any, a fine and give them a freaking card to be in this country and move the Hell forward? Create a CREDIBLE Guest Worker program with no automatic path to citizenship and move ahead,,, what is wrong with it? Quit trying to lecture me about background checks, health records, etc. Tell me why people cannot come here and do business without becoming a citizen.

 

The question was posed as to why there are growing negative sentiments against immigrants. So far, those with negative sentiments have failed to answer the question. They cannot even make a rational case for the bigotry. Try to engage them on the false charge that undocumented immigrants don't pay taxes, they avoid the issue and let the next complainer steps up with more pretexts. If it isn't the pretext that undocumented immigrants don't pay taxes, it's that they should be background checked - even though that is proven worthless every single day. When that don't pan out, there is is the pretext of screening for communicable diseases.

If the facts were in, the overwhelming majority of those here without papers would submit to it (as unconstitutional as it is.) The anti-immigrants can't get beyond the piece of paper deal. It's okay if terrorists are let in, provided they do so legally; we can even lose jobs to others - the really good jobs, provided they do it the so- called "legal" way.

In the last thirty plus years that I've been involved in this issue, there have been, perhaps a half trillion border crossings. Lots of people come and go many different times. The pretexts brought up by the anti-immigrant lobby has not been insurmountable.

Granted, if people are coming from across the ocean where there may unidentified diseases, you might want to invest in testing. But, for Canadian and Mexican neighbors, it's overkill - when you consider the net negative impact on our constitutional Liberties. It's a cost /benefit issue. When I was a kid we used to travel back and forth to Mexico with nothing more than a driver's license. The Orwellian steps that the anti-immigrant lobby is jeopardizing the Rights and the Liberties of the American people.

Oddly the converse is true. IF Americans had more Liberty and fewer regulations, they would have fewer immigration problems. The anti-immigrant lobby does not want to accept that. As a result, I predict that one of the major issues will be the anti - immigrants versus Hitlery Clinton. Look for a Clinton win. The anti-immigrants would rather lose their Liberty than to simply accept the America they voted into office because they don't understand the issues. It could be fixed with more Liberty, but nobody wants that - right or left.

 

YAWN ! I don't want socialism , I don't want AMERICAN CITIZENS RIGHTS taken away. I don't know who you are arguing because you are all over the place with your copy and pasting and totally off the wall accusations.

I'm not a liberal, I'm really not a conservative and I damned sure am not some socialist loser. I believe in the unalienable rights of my fellow citizens, and I do not agree to those same rights to be given to those who illegally enter our soil. They can have their own rights in their own country, but in ours they should be nothing more than those who we need to figure out how we get them, their crime rates, and their government mooching asses out of our country.

Now, is there anything else in you argument of "copy and paste" you would like to throw out there? Or are we going to hear some more fluff stories and the use of other people's argument to attempt to make a half assed point?

Congrats you got your info from a website, I got mine from living in it.

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There is no getting through. This is the same guy that wants illegals here because they undercut American workers so HE can get things done cheaper.

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There is no getting through. This is the same guy that wants illegals here because they undercut American workers so HE can get things done cheaper.

 

You sound like a broken record with your pathetic lies. When you didn't like the links, I did an entire post just for you. You still couldn't respond. You've been dishonest and have shown that you cannot discuss or debate a topic in good faith.

I don't mean to rain on your parade, but while you have a Right to your own opinion, you do not have a Right to be wrong in your facts.

I've made this point abundantly clear to you and quite frankly I'm fed up with your B.S. LIES. This subject has NOTHING to do with what I'm for or against. Although, had you read one link, it proves, without any reservation that you have LIED about me continually on this thread because you are too sorry to read the posts.

The Fourteenth Amendment guarantees to all persons both Liberty AND the equal protection of the laws. If you can't stand the facts, you aren't intelligent enough to be in this discussion. The courts (including the United States Supreme Court) have ruled that those Rights apply to foreigners, regardless of immigration status. That don't have a damn thing to do with my opinion, sir.

I have to navigate what the law IS, not what I believe. If we create a precedent to take the Rights of one person, it will apply to all equally. In my world, that's not a theory or an opinion. It's the real world. You have not answered the questions; you've only tried to insult me and say things you would never say to peoples face. You have the comfort of your chair and the anonymity provided to you by the Internet. At the end of the day, you will still be on the losing side. I wouldn't care except to those of us IN the fight, doing something, you are only helping the people you hate so much.... and hurting the people fighting and putting their lives at risk for you.

 

You have made nothing clear, other than you wish to use copy and paste arguments, support illegal immigration and that you like too severely bore people with your long and drawn out fluff pieces.

So again, we get it. You have way too much time on your hands and even with your 40 minute remarks ..... You are still a problem for the country and its safety and longevity.

Please continue, it's kind of funny.

 

You are pretty well ignorant, aren't you? There is not one, single, solitary "cut and paste" of anything in the last post and NOTHING in any of my posts that is cut from ANYTHING UNLESS IT'S IN QUOTATION MARKS AND THE QUOTE IN ITALICS.

You just don't have an argument so you sling skeet, act disrespectful and act like a child. You are an embarrassment to those who believe the socialist dung you're spreading. What takes me two minutes to type takes you 40 minutes to read? That is illiteracy son.

So you got any new material or are you content to sling skeet because you don't have any honest answers? This mental midget approach you employ is not conducive to anything other than making enemies. Is that you plan on winning your race war?

 

There are reasons for laws regarding immigration. Good grief. Think about it. No need for you to write a novel either.

 

Every impoverished, uneducated, and bigoted person on earth should be brought to the USA - at least 1 billion people to start with. They all will need us to provide all their economic and health needs of course and we must change our values to suit their values, since they would be the majority.
To be fair about it, each year the USA would conduct a worldwide lotto in which each person who want a ticket gets one for free. The lotto is for jobs. Everyone whose name is drawn is brought to the USA at our expense, including all their relatives. That one gets that job for a year and everyone else is paid for by the government. If that person's name isn't drawn the next year, that person is cared for by the government too. Anyone who does not win the lotto also may come to the USA with their relatives too.

Ultimately and quickly, at least 50% of the worlds' population will be here. The least educated, most ill, elderly and impoverished. Of course, every adult in the world may vote in American elections. All money and wealth in the USA will be equally divided among all people in the world on a monthly basis.

Anyone who disagrees with any of that is a hate mongering racist and bigot.

 

I'm a pressure cooker salesman. I saw we need more immigrants!

 

The problem is liberalism. Immigrants used to assimilate when they came to western nations but modern liberalism tells them that they do not have to. And immigration does put downward pressure on wages - especially for low skilled and unskilled woek - plus many immigrants are scabs like many Mexicans.

When our fathers and forefathers came to these nations they assimilated and did not act as if they hate the nation that they came to and the nations people. Multiculturalism can work if each nations people have a common united identity but liberalism promotes conflict and hostility and disunity. The problem are liberals.

 

This is a discussion board, Chris. It's not Twitter. I realize that most people use these boards for a few grunts. For instance, Yum, chocolate good and that's followed by the next poster - Yeah I agree. The facts about this issue are simple:

Anti-immigrants claim those here without papers don't pay taxes. I proved that was a lie

Anti-immigrants claim that all undocumented workers are criminals. That was a lie

Fact is, there is not one, single, solitary allegation the anti-immigrant crowd has made that I've not put to rest. AND I don't have anything personally to gain!!!!! My gains on this issue are YOUR gains. You just think if it takes more than three sentences and takes three minutes, it's too much effort.

We're talking about your future and the future of this country. But, the bigots who started the religion of anti-immigrant silliness are all now dead or in prison - and they just started about a decade and a half ago!

The only purposes that the current laws serve is to deny to employers the opportunity to hire the employee of their choosing AND to unfairly lock out some people from exercising the God given Right to Liberty. The current laws have no bearing on the real world. Adding insult to injury, the people on your side think the only way that a person has Liberty is to be a citizen (which bestows upon them the privileges of voting and collecting welfare.) We both know that is not what the anti-immigrant religion wants.

They honestly think that Trump can deport those people with a promise to let them back in and then tell them no. He's playing all those suckers that are voting for him. AND, when the left wins, you haven't even had a dream about the Hell that is going be unleashed. No, mam, our laws serve no genuine purpose. They are antiquated laws that did not keep up with demographics NOR the needs of business.

 

Your message sounds like you are quite foolish. We have never paid anyone for just showing up and only a fool does not inquire if there is some charge for someone to make an estimate.

I bet you paid in cash, right? So that way the person pays no taxes - and draws food stamps, housing assistance, free medical - meaning that I paid to have your house worked on via taxes. I bet you don't report paying those people to the IRS either, do you? So REALLY I'm guessing your ranting on behalf of hiring people who cheat on their taxes so you can get other people to pay for your life.

Did I guess correctly?

 

Yes, that's what so many Democrats want. They want cheap labor serfs - and then want the income difference, food costs, housing and medical care to all be paid for by everyone else because they pay them cash under the table to avoid taxes.