Why there is no movie about concentration camps under FDR won Oscar?

Which ends with a delightful twist lol

 

I believe folks in New Zealand where equally saddened by the downplaying of their role in events as well

 

Hooray!

I have never seen a leftist on this board concede anything ever. +1000 points to you, you are the winner.

America would have mobilized for war regardless. Never give a political leader credit for battlefield victories. It goes to their head.

Civilian bombings never really did push the leadership. They were going to fight until they couldn't anymore.

 

You really have never read anything about World War 2 have you?

And if you have never read a 'leftist' 'concede' anything- well then you have missed dozens of my posts- and the posts of many others you would consider to be 'leftists'.

That is what partisan blindness will do to you.

 

The Hobbit did this and tons of people complained about the extra frame-rate. Sadly, I don't see a mass adoption of digital happening anytime soon.

 

Funny you got the guts to mention that.

Who deliberately provoked Japan.

Who knew gradually that his Keynesian, Hitler-ish economic policy is failing for certain, and has no exist but resort to war, just like Hitler, thus doing whatever he could in driving US into the pacific theater? You got to give credit to FDR — he made it looked like "an accident".

And he violated the US constitution like no other president. Bush was such a small timer compared to him.

 

Unlike yourself, I don't have any problems with the facts.

If you mean that FDR deliberately put sanctions in place against Japan in response to Japan's attacks on China and French Indo-China- then that would be correct. If you mean that FDR deliberately wanted to provoke a war with Japan at that point- no he did not. He knew that the United States had not sufficiently moved to a war footing yet- the U.S. was about a year short of being prepared. FDR considered Hitler to be the bigger enemy, and would have preferred to deal with Japan without war at that point. Japan however had no intention of withdrawing from French Indo China, nor was it going to back down on China.

I give credit to the conspiracy loving, FDR hating conservatives for gullibility.

Actually I think Lincoln probably violated the Constitution more than any other President- and I also consider him our greatest President. FDR was probably our greatest war time President- and he violated the U.S. Constitution too.

 

You quote someone who wrote the script for Transformers and the Jackie Chan anime.

*Slow Clap* Bravo! Bravo!

 

Feel free to attempt to educate us - It should be interesting

 

And your some guy on a forum who hasn't done anything!

*slow clap* Bravo! Bravo!

 

Are you talking about how we imposed crippling trade embargoes on them? Because that wasn't to provoke them. That was punishment for actively committing some of the worst war crimes of the century in during their invasion of Manchuria.

It amuses me when WW2 conspiracy theorists try to make it seem like FDR plotted the entire entrance of the US into the war. The whole "the aircraft carriers weren't at Pearl that day! He must have known!" is especially comical because while the carriers were not there that day, our strategic oil and fuel reserves for the Pacific fleet were, and were within easy range of the Japanese bombers. If they had hit those, our Pacific fleet would have been crippled for over a year. And hitting them was actually part of the Japanese plan, but the admiral decided against sending in additional air power to do it because he wanted to conserve Japans bombers.

A mistake that would be the first nail in the coffin for the Japanese in the war for the Pacific.

 

Well the French Indo China affected Britain more than the US. The British and Japanese had signed a deal where the British would stop sending aid to the Chinese and Japan would leave Indo China alone - The deal lasted two weeks. As for war mongering, Japan actually entertained a peace treaty with the US after operation Barbarossa was launched. Initial reactions from the US were pretty positive before the Japanese cabinet over ruled the plan and continued planning for war with the US

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Well the Japanese never really entered the war with an expectation of winning, they desired an easy peace, unfortunately for them the US was a little more upset than expected

 

Indeed. What they wanted was to cripple our navy so badly, we would have to abdicate the Pacific to them. They thought that, in concurrence with Pearl, if they won one big open naval engagement our Navy would be totaled, and we would retreat. The Battle of Midway was supposed to be that battle for the Japanese, but fate gave us the day instead, and that was the beginning of the downward spiral for Japan.

One of the Axis's biggest mistakes was underestimating the sheer unmitigated industrial and economic power we could unleash during such a war. We were able to fight competently on a bigger swath of the planet than any other power during the war for a reason. Our industry allowed us to pump out an Aircraft carrier every couple of months on average, build thousands of tanks that were at least middle of the road in design for the war, our agricultural prowess allowed us to easily feed our own and even our allies armies, and and our population allowed us to potentially muster even more men than the Russians. etc... The US was an absolute juggernaut, and some people today don't seem to get we can turn that switch on again if push comes to shove.

 

http://www.amazon.com/Japan-1941-Countdown-Eri-Hotta/dp/0307594017

Gives an extraordinary description of just how bad the Japanese economy and production was going in the years leading up the war. They had been rationing food since 39 and metal buttons were outlawed for school uniforms due to metal shortages. The whole steel industry had been nationalized in an attempt to try and keep enough war production to feed the army in China.............and then they pick a fight with the US

 

Here you go, and instead of giving a entire website like you did before, I give you actuall quotes, from George Victor, a contact historian of Potomac Books:

Link from google books:

http://books.google.com/books?id=n-... United States into war with Germany"&f=false

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Events_leading_to_the_attack_on_Pearl_Harbor

The problem with liberals 50 years ago maybe that they know so much that ain't so. The problem with liberals now is that they don't know so much.

Now, dance and make my day by denying the existence of gravity.

 

Considering FDR's concern about Hitler, and supporting Great Britain, I suspect that if the Japanese had attacked Malaysia, and left Pearl Harbor and the Phillipines alone, the United States would not have gone to war against Japan.

Of course where we really got lucky is when Hitler declared war against the U.S.- if it had not been for that, I don't think FDR could have persuaded an outrage America to go to war against Germany- and the consequences of that would have been rather dire.

 

Since you refer to a Wiki article so will I

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pearl_Harbor_advance-knowledge_conspiracy_theory

One of many such conspiracy theories.

Doris Kearns Goodwin- a Pulitzer prize winning historian calls it differently:

"Historians have focused substantial time and attention trying to determine who knew what and when before the 7th of December- on the theory that Roosevelt was aware of the Japanese plans to attack Pearl Harbor but deliberately concealed his knowledge from the commanders in Hawaii in order to bring the United States into hostilities through the back door.....

...To be sure, Roosevelt was concerned that if war came, the Japanese should be the ones to initiate hostilities....but it was assumed again, and again, right up to December 7, that the Philipines was the most likely target for Japanese aggression....

The problem you have with liberals apparently is that we don't blindly buy into your conspiracy theories. Most Conservatives don't either.

 

Clearly you did not click on my link - which was not even posted for you. Otherwise you have discovered a book, written by an historian

 

Who do you blame for provoking the attack on 9/11?

Clearly you don't think Japan was responsible for attacking Pearl Harbor- you think the U.S. 'provoked' the attack.

Do you think that the U.S. provoked the attack on 9/11 too?

I always wonder at the Japanese war apologists

 

Yes there are a lot of what ifs to throw around. Unknown to the US at the time, the Japanese had signed a non aggression treaty with the Soviets and seriously considered pulling out of the treaty with Germany. That alone opens a major can of worms about what Hitler would have done in regards to the US

 

The point I was making is that Standard Oil was a natural monoply, not a state induced one. Carnegie Steel is another example, but they becamse a near monipoly in their time.

And yes, Standard Oik could be a great thread, but it will have to be in another thread.