Why would trump exec order to make it easy to fire Civil Servants

And if Biden wins, he can hire them back if he so chooses!

 

You’re playing the game of trying to pretend the story doesn’t exist and playing dumb. Plug you ears and pretend that you don’t know what’s going on!

That’s another Trumpster excuse!

 

I have no problems with this. I worked at a state hospital where a lot of the staff wouldn't do their job as required. They would yell at the individuals, some would mock and atogonize them, and I even saw one woman make one of the residents walk down the hall naked to her for a change of clothes because she didn't feel like getting out of her chair. My roommate was a CNA in a ward for the older people. He often complained day shift would leave the patients in dirty diapers for hours at a time just so they wouldn't have to change them. These people were rarely held accountable for their actions and usually it was office politics if they were.

 

You really don’t understand what this is, do you?

This is a blatant attempt by the President to expand his absolute rule over the Federal government and terrorize Federal workers.

It falls right in line with the firing of Andrew McCabe on the day he was to retire. An act of pure personal spite. Similarly the firing of Alexander Vindman’s brother for having that last name.

This is the bahavior of a petty tyrant. It is one of the crucial steps in securing a dictatorship. Harass and undermine the professional civil service. Hitler did it. Stalin and Lenin did it.

This is clearly intended to set the stage for a political purge if Trump survives this election.

Purges like this happened in Soviet Russia, and Nazi Germany. Never before in the United States.

At best, it will set the stage for the return of the wholesale corruption of the Guilded Age, which is already rampant in this criminal Administration.

This is exactly what Trump intends to do. He has telegraphed similar intentions all throughout his campaign and first term. And a host of cabinet secretaries and their friends have cashed in on the existing flagrant graft.

As I said, be in no doubt about what they are trying to do.

 

Hyperbolic much? We, for at least the interim, are a constitutional republic which is quickly shifting to a democracy. We are the FURTHEST thing away from Soviet Russia or Nazi Germany. Granted, the continued coup attempt by the left has been the closest we've seen of dictatorial and usurping powers.

Giving the president the ability to hire or remove staff in positions that are classified should be part of their realm of responsibility. Same with Ambassadors. Did you cry "purge" when Obama purged all of Bush's appointees?

 

No, not at all.

This is precisely what Trump wants to do. He is out in the open about it too.

He does not want an Attorney General who will protect the Constitution or the Executive Branch. He wants a Roy Cohen, someone who will advance the cause of Trump over all. As Barr has done. Placing Trump above the law and exempt from accountability or scrutiny.

We are far from Russia or Germany, but not nearly as far as we once were. And Trump wants to erase that distance.

The parade of yes men, plotters, opportunists and flunkies that have rolled in and out of this criminal Administration tell that story as eloquently as Trump’s latest order does.

The “continued coup by the left” is a fairy tale told by disc jockeys on AM radio for the entertainment of no nothings.

Your final paragraph is a clearly dishonest attempt to normalize politicization.

Your last sentence is false. There was no wholesale purge of Bush presidential appointees when Obama became President.

Your favorite disc jockeys and trashy blogs ran a camaign making that charge. But nothing happened other than the traditional process of Presidential appointees resigning when the Administration changes. That “purge” had been going on for 200 years.

Your attempt to conflate what Trump proposes to do with what normally goes on is dishonest, to say the very least. Particularly since you chose to use a deliberately misleading and discredited right wing meme to do it.

This is something new and very sinister. And, no, if you have any idea how government or any large organization works, threats to politicize even middle management by a tyrant at the top is one of the most corrosive things you can do to any organization (private or public).

 

No I'm asking for more details try again

Your article is behind a paywall and even in incognito mode requires a subscription. What protections exactly does the order remove?

 

Jesus dude. Google is your friend

 

Or maybe people with poor job performance shouldn't have their jobs protected.

 

You weren’t interested in more details. The facts are well documented and widely discussed.

Your very very lame paywall excuse is dismissed.

 

This has nothing to do with job performance and everything to do with installing hacks and yes men. Job performance is not a factor. Loyalty and servitude to the fuhrer is the only criterion in Trump’s world.

 

Emotional reactions are no substitute for facts. Government employees should not have any more protection than workers in the private sector.

Do you know how many people work for the government? About half of them!

 

So why do you think this Trump appointee quit?

He spelled it out very clearly in his resignation letter

 

Now that you have demonstrated Godwin's law a rational discussion is impossible. My suggestion to you. Next time you are in Washington DC visit the Holocaust Museum.

 

An unnecessary step in the right direction. These political appointees took it upon themselves to actively resist in Washington. They were therefore no longer bipartisan. Their failure to serve country and nation has resulted in these political contingencies and issues. If they cannot serve the WH with the best, most abled advice then there might not be a need for them in Washington.

It's all good, less people working in Washington the better.

 

I had to talk to the IRS lately. I dreaded the call as the last time I talked to them about 15 or more years ago, it was the nightmare from hell, they were dead wrong about money owed, in fact I over paid, it took me months of arguing and despair, I had to hire a CPA to prove my point, when some idiot at the IRS finally was able to utilize math to realize I was correct from the word GO, they relented. Then I was audited two years in a row, payback for proving them wrong, I know it was.

Now recently I called them and was loaded for bear, as I recall the last awful experience. I have to say, I was pleasantly surprised. Instead of getting some ass on the phone with a superior attitude, the fellow I talked to could not have been more helpful, I pointed out the cancelled checks and the dates, and he looked everything up, apologized for the hassle and 100% agreed that I owed nothing. A complete 180 from my last experience. This is what happens when you do not have a job for life that no one can ever fire you for incompetence.

Case closed.

 

Thanks for proving the point.

 

What's lame about asking you for more details of a cite YOU posted without any details that is behind a paywall? And BTW I did my own search and posted the rebuttals. It only applies to a very narrow segment of officials in policy making positions whose responsibly is to execute the policies of the current administration. NOT all civil servants. A President has the right to staff the executive branch and especially his advisors and policy makers as he sees fit.

 

Have a daughter-in-law whose a Marine, along with my son she married, and when they got married she discharged and as a vet got moved to the top of the list and was hired by the Social Security Administration as a case worker, interviewing people filing for extraordinary benefits. About a year into it I asked her how it was going. She just shook her head and said it was the most incompetent group of people she ever worked and they all took the position that they were not there to properly manage the taxpayers money but to dole out as much as they could. She gave one example of an older woman trying to claim her grandchildren as dependents, she already knew the mother was living in the house with them and other disqualifiers and when she went to her supervisor to deny the claim her supervisor told her to just pass in through and not deny it. That was only ONE of the many such cases. She quit about a year later, could take it anymore. Case closed. She is now a radar technician for the FAA.

 

The way it's going, even the swamp rats don't want to work for Trump. Prospective employees are hard to find, and nearly impossible to keep.

 

I will share another one, about the post office. A good friend of mine worked there 20 years ago, he was a letter carrier, he would go out deliver all his mail for the day in 3.5 hours of an 8 hour shift, as a rookie I guess he didn't know better, he would come back and finish the rest of his day helping to sort mail, one day he was grabbed by a union supervisor and told to cut that **** out, he was a mail carrier and only a mail carrier, he was instructed to do NOTHING for the remainder of his shift, it looked bad he was told, other carriers were pissed. So he would slow down his route as much as possible but still finish with 3 or 4 hours to go, sat around the break room playing poker. He quit and went in to the insurance business and he regrets that because of the incredible retirement benefits he walked away from.

There is your tax dollars at work.

 

Why would you be bringing up your political position in your place of employment? I don't know what the political position of our 500 some odd employees are, unless they tell me. If someone actively tells you what political position they are, that means they want you to know for a reason.

Can you tell me what that reason could possibly be?

 

I called on and sold belting to the USPS for many years and knew lots of supervisors and mechanics. There were the qualified and very good employees mostly who came from military service. Then there were the AA and other hiring initiative employees who were lame and unqualified and were there to get as much money for as little work they could do with the union and AA protections. It was a shame there are really good people there and many times I had them tell me how glad they were they were about to retire or had found other employment and were getting out of all the frustrations they had to deal with.

Here's another union story. When I was in college back in the early 70's I worked after and between classes at my fathers business in the shop. Early on went out to a local paper mill with our shop manager to install some of our product. We went down to the maintenance shop in the basement to find a guy to sign our ticket for the job and I see all these mechanics laying on top of their tool cabinets using their lunchboxes for pillows and sleeping. I ask the shop manager what was going on why were they sleeping here. He laughed and said it's the union contract. For every hour we as a contractor spent in the plant the maintenance department got budgeted 2 hours or overtime. They would accumulate so much that after shift the supervisors would ask who wanted to hang around and since they weren't scheduled for any jobs, again under strict union rules, they slept if off. Get 1 or 2 hours of overtime sleeping...............................and we wonder why union made products cost so much and all the claims about how union employees make so much more money.

 

Sigh...

It's not about employees discussing politics at work.
It's about replacing those whose loyalties may not be with the President with those whose loyalties are KNOWN to be with the President and thusly
ensuring even illegal orders are carried out.

 

'Discussing politics' is not what I said.
So you equate 'being loyal' to a person, POTUS or not, with permitting illegal actions?
A person of a different political position is fully capable of performing their job, withOUT letting it color their performance. At least the mature ones.

Those that choose to wallow in their political ideologies (or other ideologies) like a cape, have no business being anywhere in public or involved with anything that actually affects the public.