Why you can’t ban AR-15s

One of the biggest bitches we had about the M-16 in Vietnam, you couldn't top off the magazine without removing the magazine.

It was the same complaint Marines and soldiers had with the M-1 Garand, you had to fire all eight rounds before reloading the magazine with a new eight round clip.

They got it right with the M-14.

Takes about a second to reload a magazine with a 5 rounds stripper clip. less time than removing a magazine and inserting a new magazine.

There are ten round stripper clips to reload M-16 magazines but you have to remove the magazine first.


One does not just push a button having the magazine fall to the ground and inserting a new magazine. That only happens in the movies. You keep the empty magazine to be reloaded later on. The detachable magazine is part of the rifle. Without the magazine an AR. AK M-14, FNL are useless.

There's an attachment that can be used to quickly reload empty magazines using a stripper clip.

 

I spent days on the range in the army loading stripper clips into magazines. It just isn't that easy and claiming so is bullshit.

I would think doing so in the middle of a shooting incident would be that much harder.

Again. Changing a mag on an AR requires pushing a button and slapping a fresh mag into the receiver. It about as simple and fool proof an operation as there is

 

You can't top off an AR magazine, that's what I'm saying.

You can top off a M-14 magazine without removing the magazine.

 

Your right to what?

Be part of a militia?

That's what the 2A is about

 

I suppose your point is that an M-14 is somehow as dangerous as an AR?

Bullshit. It has a far higher kick (you can fire an AR one handed) AND "topping off the mag" in an M-14 is far slower than changing a 30 round mag in an AR-15

 

The M-14 is for alpha males. The M-14 like all alpha male rifles have a kick.

They win wars.

 

How often do you have to change the bandages on your knuckles?

Dragging them on the ground like that can't be good for you

 

Semi autos are protected by the constitution.
Your argument is moot.

 

I see you understand you've lost the argument.

 

See dc v Heller and McDonald v Chicago.
Also basic grammar.
The right is to keep and bear arms.

 

So then you would repeal the 2nd Amendment? You realise of course that the reduction would only come about in a future generation once all of the 300,000,000 guns already in the mix are no longer operational. Although perhaps it is the case that guns, if maintained well, can just keep going literally forever, with new parts even. (parts ban too you might say.)
Perhaps the gun men can chime in here - @6Gunner @TOG 6 @Hoosier8 @DoctorWho. And when you say "ban all guns" are you including a gun confiscation too?

 

Actually, its a distinction which I've never known - that's somewhat of a revelation. So as long as there is no such thing as a 'semi-automatic assault rifle' then it is a myth that assault rifles are legal in the US! And from reading wikipedia, assault rifle is defined by having selective fire, one of which is obviously fully auto. Although, aren't there assault rifles which are just fully auto or burst?

 

For their purpose they say no but would be supportive if pushed.

 

Yes, the M16 is an assault rifle along with any select fire automatic or burst fire rifle. You can buy an M16 for north of $16,000.

 

Actually it is nonsense. Gun owners don't view guns as the problem in mass shootings. They view people as the problem. Since the overwhelming majority of them aren't murderers they oppose bans. They also know that we had bans on assault rifles and magazines before. These bans ended in 1994 when the justice department studied the bans and concluded that they didn't help anything. If we could get past the emotion we might be able to get after the real problem - a broken culture.

 

All the more reason citizens should have it.

If you want to cut down on murders expect more from your enforcement.

 

It has a higher recoil energy because it's more powerful. Law of motion being what it is.

 

Actually you can now. A new device that fits the ejection port and reloads the AR-15 as quick as changing a mag if not quicker.

 

no we shouldn't ban assault weapons because it won't prevent any shootings.

so get your fairy to light up her magical wand and remove them all laws can't do that.

yeah that's brilliant. Except for the make them disappear part. That's not so simple.

That's the dumbest straw man I've ever seen I would say you're better than that but you have been quite lousy at every single debate I've encountered you in.

 

and older guns could be bought and sold and used in mass killings. So you propose a solution that doesn't solve anything. So what are you doing being pedantic?

or you could just get a high capacity magazine.

 

no but apparently there was a need for the FBI to just say f*** it. They allowed it to happen you and I didn't we didn't know about it. We Can't Stop things we don't know about.

I agree it's kind of stupid you can't buy beer when your 18.

[/QUOTE]Thanks god that the constitution does not require us to allow such events to keep happening as if it did then the best future use of our constitution would be for toilet paper.

footnote one simple way to deal with such mass murder weapons being sold would be to just add the cost of needed security at schools and other public places thanks to them to the cost of such weapons.[/QUOTE] well in some states sales tax does go to the schools in mine it's property tax.

they can just buy pistols or shotguns or rifles that don't fit that classification maybe both on a few things and turn it into one of those.

 

a mass murder is killing four or more people. I'm pretty sure it wouldn't be too difficult given the right venue to be able to kill for people with a knife or a pipe wrench.

 

You don't think aiming is important during hunting? You think someone would just go all Rambo on a rabbit or a pheasant?

 

As someone pointed out in another thread I lost all my guns in a boating accident they're in the bottom of the sea.

 

So the problem is there's not enough people in prison? Someone that would never shoot anybody should go to jail because of Optics?

I think we've got enough people in jail.

Also assuming that the most popular semi-auto rifle would be about 10 million units in the US that'd be 30 billion dollars. So borrow it from China?

Dumb solution. It didn't work in Australia.