Will Covid follow 2017 pattern?

In the 2017 pandemic there were 3 waves with the second being in the winter and the largest.

Are mitigations enough to hold covid down and do we have the will to continue them?

 

We've long known that the biggest spikes will probably happen in fall and winter, unless we somehow have a vaccine by then, which of course we likely won't. There's no way we are getting out of this without more than a quarter million dead. That used to be my upper estimate, but I guess it has to be my lower estimate how.

 

That's what happened with the Spanish Flu as well.

We had better be careful or there will simply not be enough body bags

 

Um ... did you mess up the title with a date that's off by 100 years? I don't recall a pandemic in 2017, and I know I wasn't that stoned all year!



But yes, Dr, Fauci's warning that we should hunker down for the fall and winter is an indication that, like some influenza strains, it will be cyclical and stick around for a while.

 

England has reverted to a social distancing limit of 6 people.

 

Sweden flattened their curve by the beginning of August. So, if anything, we need to look at Sweden’s libertarian approach and follow their lead. What if the question is if there are too many mitigation’s causing pushback and there is a need for less?

 

And all we'd have to so is accept the loss of life they suffered.

Wonderful

 

Hard to make that case in view of Brazil.
No thanks.

 

They flattened their curve without playing dictator while Belgium, which did lock down, saw more death.

 

I fail to see the point in why we should continue to intrude on people’s personal lives, when at least 3 million have recovered and barely at 200,000 deaths. Doesn’t hurt to give credit where it’s due.

Despite any faults, Sweden was successful I their own mitigation efforts. Tyranny is not the answer.

 

Sweden is not the US. There largest city is 1 million and they only have one of those. So they kind of have automatic social distancing.

 

If only you could follow Sweden's approach.
Sweden had an over 80% compliance rate for social distancing.
Sweden banned gatherings of more than 50 people and they kept to the rules.
So yeah, you need to follow Sweden's lead but not for the reasons you think.

 

Right, but neither is New Zealand the size of the US, and people tried to justify the Prime Ministers actions. Something different needs to be tried than the mitigation efforts we have now. If you’re not eager to tread of private lives of citizens, as we’ve seen, maybe cooperation will be more evident.

 

Well, NZ didn't have a leader who played down the virus and used words like ''hoax''.
The chances of Americans sticking to the recommendations without being compelled by law are slim to zero.
Can't even do something as simple as wearing masks without crying over your loss of ''freedom''.
Pathetic.

 

New Zealand had some tough rules all right, but their death rate is 5 per million while Sweden's is 578 per million.
So you pay for what you get.

 

That’s all they are, recommendations. Locking down this and mandating that isn’t getting us any closer to the end goal. If the lockdown proves anything, it is that governors shouldn’t have EO powers. Choice is freedom,. Take that away, and yes there is a loss of freedom involved.

 

New Zealand is also smaller than Sweden, and not landlocked.

 

Certainly an advantage.

 

That said, NZ is an abnormality, not an exception to the rule.

 

How many freedoms will you have when you are dead?

 

Several countries have similar rates to New Zealand even though they are much larger.
Most are in SE Asia where they had good early testing, masks, and compliance with the rules.
S. Korea is a good example. I think they have about 7 deaths per million.
Interestingly when they have a problem, so far, it has been from a church gathering or a bar.

 

Compare them to their neighbors, Norway,Finland, and Denmark and things look a little different

Sweden had 20 times the loss of life for no economic gain.

 

People die. It’s a fact of life.

 

If that's of no concern...why is murder a crime?

 

Because there are people that commit murder. That too, is a fact of life. Are you new?