Will Iran Be Attacked?

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  1. Bleipriester

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    Washington has made tremendous preparations for a military assault on Iran. There is speculation that Washington has called off its two longest running wars–Iraq and Afghanistan–in order to deploy forces against Iran. Two of Washington’s fleets have been assigned to the Persian Gulf along with NATO warships. Missiles have been spread amongst Washington’s Oil Emirate and Middle Eastern puppet states. US troops have been deployed in Israel and Kuwait.

    Washington has presented Israel a gift from the hard-pressed american taxpayers of an expensive missile defense system, money spent for Israel when millions of unassisted americans have lost their homes. As no one expects Iran to attack Israel, except in retaliation for an Israeli attack on Iran, the purpose of the missile defense system is to protect Israel from an Iranian response to Israeli aggression against Iran.

    Juan Cole has posted on his blog a map showing 44 US military bases surrounding Iran.

    In addition to the massive military preparations, there is the propaganda war against Iran that has been ongoing since 1979 when Washington’s puppet, the Shah of Iran, was overthrown by the Iranian revolution. Iran is surrounded, but Washington and Israeli propaganda portray Iran as a threatening aggressor nation. In fact, the aggressors are the Washington and Tel Aviv governments which constantly threaten Iran with military attack.

    Neocon warmongers, such as David Goldman, compare the Iranian president to Hitler and declare that only war can stop him.

    Washington’s top military officials have created the impression that an act of Israeli aggression against Iran is a done deal. On February 2 the Washington Post reported that Pentagon chief Leon Panetta believes that Israel is likely to attack Iran in two to four months.

    Also on February 2, Gareth Porter reported that General Martin Dempsey, Chairman of the US Joint Chiefs of Staff, informed the Israeli government that the US would not join Israel’s aggression against Iran unless Washington had given prior approval for the attack.

    Porter interprets Dempsey’s warning as a strong move by President Obama to deter an attack that would involve Washington in a regional conflagration with Iran. A different way to read Dempsey’s warning is that Obama wants to hold off on attacking Iran until polls show him losing the presidential election. It has generally been the case that the patriotic electorate does not turn out a president who is at war.

    On February 5, President Obama canceled Dempsey’s warning to Israel when Obama declared that he was in “lockstep” with the Israeli government. Obama is in lockstep with Israel despite the fact that Obama told NBC that “we don’t see any evidence that they [Iran] have those intentions [attacks on the US] or capabilities.” By being in lockstep with Israel and simultaneously calling for a “diplomatic solution,” Obama appeased both the Israel Lobby and Democratic peace groups, thus upping his vote.

    As I wrote previously, this spring is a prime time for attacking Iran, because there is a good chance that Russia will be in turmoil because of its March election. The Russian opposition to Putin is financed by Washington and encouraged by Washington’s statements, especially those of Secretary of State Hillary Clinton. Whether Putin wins or there is an indecisive result and a run-off election, Washington’s money will put tens of thousands of Russians into the streets, just as Washington’s money created the “Green Revolution” in Iran to protest the presidential elections there.

    On February 4 the former left-wing British newspaper, The Guardian, reported a pre-election protest by 120,000 anti-Putin demonstrators marching in Moscow and demanding “fair elections.” In other words, Washington already has its minions declaring that a win by Putin in March can only signify a stolen election. The problem for Obama is that this spring is too early to tell whether his re-election is threatened by a Republican candidate. Going to war prematurely, especially if the result is a stiff rise in oil prices, is not an aid to re-election.

    The willingness of peoples around the world to be Washington’s puppets instead of loyal citizens of their own countries is why the West has been able to dominate the world during the modern era. There seems to be an infinite supply of foreign leaders who prefer Washington’s money and favor to loyalty to their own countries’ interests.

    As Karl Marx said, money turns everything into a commodity that can be bought and sold. All other values are defeated–honor, integrity, truth, justice, loyalty, even blood kin. Nothing remains but filthy lucre. Money certainly turned UK prime minister Tony Blair into a political commodity.

    The power of money was brought home to me many years ago. My Ph.D. dissertation chairman found himself in the Nixon administration as Assistant Secretary of Defense for International Security affairs. He asked if I would go to Vietnam to administer the aid programs. I was flattered that he thought I had the strength of character to stand up to the corruption that usually defeats the purpose of aid programs, but I declined the assignment.

    The conversation was one I will never forget. Warren Nutter was an intelligent person of integrity. He thought regardless of whether the war was necessary that we had been led into it by deception. He thought democracy could not live with deception, and he objected to government officials who were not honest with the American people. Nutter’s position was that a democratic government had to rely on persuasion, not on trickery. Otherwise, the outcomes were not democratic.

    As Nutter saw it, we were in a war, and we had involved the South Vietnamese. Therefore, we had obligations to them. If we proved to be feckless, the consequence would be to undermine commitments we had made to other countries in our effort
    to contain the Soviet Empire. The Soviet Union, unlike the “terrorist threat” had the potential of being a real threat. People who have come of age after the collapse of the Soviet Union don’t understand the cold war era.

    In the course of the conversation I asked how Washington got so many other governments to do its bidding. He answered, “Money.”

    I asked, “You mean foreign aid?”

    He said, “No, bags of money. We buy the leaders.”

    He didn’t approve of it, but there was nothing he could do about it.

    Purchasing the leadership of their enemies or of potential threats was the Roman way. Timothy H. Parsons in his book, The Rule of Empires, describes the Romans as “deft practitioners of soft power.” Rome preferred to rule the conquered and the potentially hostile through “semiautonomous client kings which the Senate euphemistically termed ‘friends of the Roman people.’ Romans helped cooperative monarchs remain in power with direct payments of coins and material goods. Acceptance of these subsidies signified that an ally deferred to imperial authority, and the Romans interpreted any defiance of their will as an overt revolt. They also intervened freely in local succession disputes to replace unsuitable clients.”

    This is the way Washington rules. Washington’s way of ruling other countries is why there is no “Egyptian Spring,” but a military dictatorship as a replacement for Washington’s discarded puppet Hosni Mubarak, and why European puppet states are fighting Washington’s wars of hegemony in the Middle East, North Africa and Central Asia.

    Washington’s National Endowment for Democracy funds non-governmental organizations (NGOs) that interfere in the internal affairs of other countries. It is through the operations of NGOs that Washington added the former Soviet Republic of Georgia to Washington’s empire, along with the Baltic States, and Eastern European countries.

    Because of the hostility of many Russians to their Soviet past, Russia is vulnerable to Washington’s machinations.

    As long as the dollar rules, Washington’s power will rule.

    As Rome debased its silver denarius into lead, Rome’s power to purchase compliance faded away. If “Helicopter Ben” Bernanke inflates away the purchasing power of the dollar, Washington’s power will melt away also.

    http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2012/02/08/will-iran-be-attacked-2/
     
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    Are you sure US troops are deployed in Israel?

    For what purpose?
     
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    I added a second source. And the picture tells everything.

    Well, I can not find an article about 12.00 US troops in Benghazi.
     
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    This is an opportunistic picture.
    It is true that US troupes were landing for a joint Israel-US exercise that has been canceled just or about the beginning of the supposed exercise.
    The batteries you see in the picture were to be manned by Americans.

    Today there are none to be seen in Israel.
    NOT A SINGLE AMERICAN HAS SO FOR DIED FIGHTING FOR ISRAEL
     
  7. ObamaYoMoma

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    Let's just put it this way, if Iran is allowed to acquire nukes with impunity, life as we once knew it will end forever.
     
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    Right here:

    http://www.presstv.ir/detail/222317.html

    US deploys 12,000 troops in Libya



    The United States has sent some 12,000 soldiers to Libya, in the first phase of deployments to the oil-rich North African nation.


    According to Asharq Alawsat, the troops landed in the eastern oil port city of Brega.

    Although the deployment is said to be aimed at generating stability and security in the region, the troops are expected to take control of the country's key oil fields and strategic ports.

    Brega, the site of an important oil refinery, serves as a major export hub for Libyan oil. The town is also one of the five oil terminals in the eastern half of the country.

    Following the popular uprising of the Libyan people, NATO launched a major air campaign against the forces of the former regime on March 19, 2011 under a UN mandate to “protect the Libyan population.”

    Continued.
     
  9. Mushroom

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    Really? Is that why our armed forces are being reduced by 10-15%?

    And is that why training and deployments are not being stepped up? In fact, I see less then a third of the number of troops being trained at my base then I did 5 years ago, even though my base has more then twice the number of soldiers it had in 2007.

    As far as your reference (unverified), I think the name is exactly right. A 33 year dead Economics professornamed "Nutter".
     
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    Granny says, "Dat's right - Obama ain't kiddin' with `em...
    :grandma:
    Biden on Iran threat: Obama is not bluffing
    Mar 4,`13 WASHINGTON (AP) -- Seeking to reassure anxious Israelis and their American supporters, Vice President Joe Biden vowed Monday that the United States won't back down from its pledge to use military action to thwart Iran's nuclear program should all other options fail.
     
  11. H.R.A.

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    The US don't dare to attack Iran. If they could it would be their first choice not the last one. Any way we are completely ready for each condition and we have a suitable plan for each scenario.
     
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    Unfortunatly i have to agree with some of what you wrote. UNFORTUNATLY !!
    Iran will not be attacked by the americans ( :flagus: :thumbsup: ) same as North Korea wasn't...
    I hope that Israel will attack their nuclear facilities .. So all the muslim one-sided will have something interesting here to write about ..
    P.s - What's going on under the burka ? :hug:
     
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    I rather doubt that to be honest.

    Consider it like this: Iran and Iraq were involved in an almost decade long war that went back and forth. Ultimately neither side won or lost, and it was called on account that both sides were sick of fighting it for no gain.

    Then a year later, Iraq takes on little Kuwait, and wins. 6 months later the US invades back, and pretty much systematically destroys the Iraqi military within 4 days.

    A decade and change later, the US does the same thing yet again. Thoroughly destroys the Iraqi military within weeks, eliminating the entire Government of Iraq and putting a new one in it's place.

    In other words, in less then 2 months the US basically does what Iran could not do in 10 years. And they do it twice.

    Now kindly make me laugh by repeating what you have said. You are being "self-delusional". But of course Iran is not violating any of it's agreements, and is not building a nuclear warhead, so we have no reason to worry, right?
     
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    Attacking Iran would be a terrible mistake.
     
  15. H.R.A.

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    When I read your post I remember this thread:

    http://www.politicalforum.com/unite...-americans-believe-about-foreign-affairs.html
     
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    And can you deny any of the things I just listed?

    Iran and Iraq were involved in a 10 year long bloody stalemate, with no definite winner at the end.

    Less then 2 years later the US wiped the mat with the same Iraq within a few days.

    - - - Updated - - -

    And can you deny any of the things I just listed?

    Iran and Iraq were involved in a 10 year long bloody stalemate, with no definite winner at the end.

    Less then 2 years later the US wiped the mat with the same Iraq within a few days.
     
  17. H.R.A.

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    I wouldn't have tended to reply your childish post but because there are some people in this forum who don't have any information about Iran-Iraq war but just the duration time of it and have silly opinion about the war like you I decided to clear somethings: for your start it is not bad to read below links:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_support_for_Iraq_during_the_Iran–Iraq_war
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_support_for_Iraq_during_the_Iran–Iraq_war
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_support_for_Iraq_during_the_Iran–Iraq_war

    And add this list the other west countries weapons like Germany chemical weapons or UK missiles. And the other important thing was Arab billions dollars ( Just Kuwait helped 7 billion dollars) and soldiers from Yemen, Egypt, ...

    And you spent billions dollars to occupy Iraq and thousands of your soldiers were killed but the result is now Iraq is one of our strategic friends in the region and in fact is in our hands not yours.
     
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    All of which have nothing to do with the fact that the war was and ended in a stalemate, and that when faced with a modern Western army quickly folded and collapsed.

    how about not trying to spin this in many different ways, and just deal with the facts?

    Of course, if you want to add in a bunch of nonsense articles about support for Iraq during the war, I can give the same thing in return you know.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_support_for_Iran_during_the_Iran–Iraq_war
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran-Contra_Affair

    And I really love this one:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_support_for_Iran_during_the_Iran–Iraq_war

    If you want to know why more countries did not support Iran and feel picked-upon because of it, simply look at what your country had been doing in this era:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_hostage_crisis
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iranian_Embassy_siege
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_and_state_terrorism
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1979_energy_crisis
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Caper

    This is the type of thing that individual of my age remember of the "New Iran". And a lot of younger people have become aware of parts of this, thanks to a recent Academy Award Winning (tm) movie.

    I love how you keep trying to deflect my claim, but don't even try to address it directly (instead calling it "childish"). Sorry, but since you won't even try to address it at all, I can only believe it is because you can't, so are trying to deflect it any way you can.

    Sorry, yet another fail.
     
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    Attacing Iran's nuclear facilities would be the right thing to do. THE SOONER THE BETTER .
     
  20. H.R.A.

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    Your post proves that your knowledge about weapons is nothing. It is completely clear that the helps given to Iran was really nothing in compare with the helps given to Iraq. As an example they modernized their air forces twice during the war while we couldn't buy our planes spare parts.

    And that movie has been made to find how many stupid people are in the world .
     
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    many thanks to your complete information.

    Iran survived aganist a WHOLE WORLD in Iran-Iraq war. USA, Israel, Arabs, France and manu many countries were helping and supporting Iraq,
    Iran was totaly alone in that damn war. but what happened at last? we WON. we won very proudly.

    but after that war, which one of those countries, who were helping Iraq, paid for it? none.

    Disgusting. they Killed our best, young people. and then NOTHING !
    they're still killing! they're killing our Scinetists and none of them pay for it.
     
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    Welcome new Pershian.

    Do not start posting WRONG information.

    Let's talk facts -

    During that war, Iran was supported by Syria and Libya and has received the majority of weapons from North Korea and China.
    During the war, the U.S. and Israel were involved in trying to supply arms to Iran (the affair became known as the Iran - Contra or Irangate).

    Iraq has enjoyed wider support from the Soviet Union, which was its main arms supplier !!!

    Know who your "friend" is !! Russia...
     
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    Thanks. I'm new around.

    Syria? what could Syria do in front of US & Arabs Support? Syria was only a little hope for us.
    and about Lybia. this one wasn't our friend, it only was a dealer who sold weapons to us in double prices. because no country sold us them.
    can you prove support of N.Korea and China? I'm sure there was none.
    USA? why should usa help us? usa supported Iraq very widely. I can't understand how you say such things!

    and I do not have information about saviets help to Iran, so I can't Say anything about it.
     
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    You represent a country that has no sentiments towards human beings, no human feelings towards the world thus the <Free World> has to find a solution to stop Iran with its new Hitler from harming other nations.

    Domestic Iran,

    From behind a makeshift barrier of scaffolding, the crowd jostled for position. &#8220;Let&#8217;s move to the other side,&#8221; one spectator whispered to his wife, pointing to the spot where Iranian state television cameras had been set up. &#8220;I think we will have a better view from there.&#8221;
    Although every year hundreds of convicts are hanged in Iran, a public hanging in a central park in Tehran is a rare event. Most hangings take place inside prisons, according to Iranian judicial officials and international human rights organizations.

    Sunday&#8217;s execution in Park-e Honarmandan (Artists Park), near the crime scene, was part of a heavy-handed offensive by Iranian authorities, who say they are trying to prevent rising crime rates from getting out of hand by setting harsh examples. In recent weeks, public executions have been stepped up, and in several large cities the police have been rounding up what they call thugs and hooligans.

    Police commanders and other officials blame government mismanagement of the economy &#8212; which they say has caused a rise in unemployment and inflation &#8212; for the increase in crime. International economic sanctions have aggravated problems, many here say, leading to a record gap between rich and poor in Iran.

    North Korea and Iran

    I am under the impression that North Korea supplied all the intercontinental missiles and Iran received them added Iranian names to them then copied and manufactured them with North Koran approval and help.

    If North Korea and Iran both acquire the capability to threaten America and the world with EMP genocide, this will destroy the foundations of the existing world order based on the U.S. acting as a superpower, which has since 1945 halted the cycle of world wars and sustained the global advancement of freedom. North Korea and Iran being armed with Assured Destruction capability changes the whole strategic calculus of risk for the United States in upholding its superpower role, and will erode the confidence of U.S. allies--perhaps to the point where they need to develop their own nuclear weapons.

    Most alarming, we are fast moving to a place where, for the first time in history, failed little states like North Korea and Iran, that cannot even feed their own people, will have power in their hands to blackmail or destroy the largest and most successful societies on Earth. North Korea and Iran perceive themselves to be at war with the United States, and are desperate, highly unpredictable characters. When the mob is at the gates of their dictators, will they want to take America with them, down into darkness?

    For nearly a decade the Congressional EMP Commission and other major U.S. Government studies have been warning about the catastrophic consequences of an EMP attack from Iran, North Korea, China, Russia or their terrorist proxies--a story unreported by the Obama administration or the mainstream media. The New York Times, the Washington Post, ABC, NBC, CBS and the other usual suspects are not interested.
     

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