Will Putin Support Trump Again in 2020?

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  1. Aleksander Ulyanov

    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

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    I know that, as does anyone with rudimentary knowledge of America and the American electorate but try telling Trumpers that
     
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    When the DNC colluded with Russia, Great Britain and Australia to spy on the Trump campaign, why were you silent? There was collusion, it was just Obama/Clinton and the DNC, who also rigged the elections to make Hillary the nominee.

    Putin led Obama around by his nose.
     
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    You know and yet you can't offer a single example of a State that was switched due to Russian propaganda. You can offer plenty of invective laden accusations because the DNC has an endless supply of them for you. Russians didn't vote but there were illegals that did.
     
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    As we know - The FBI, CIA, NSA - are propaganda spewing liars so forgive me for taking their claims with a grain of salt.

    We also know that "Russiagate" is now being used as an excuse to degrade civil liberties in this nation - to justify censorship and attack freedom of information, freedom of speech and freedom of the press.

    We also know that the so called "Russian Gov't actions" - FB ads and the wiki leak - had no significant impact on our electoral process.

    We also know that the above efforts to influence US citizens amount to a fraction of a rounding error relative to the actions and efforts of other foreign actors - such that this is like comparing a raindrop to a hurricane.
     
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    Probably not.

    Putin is smarter than most of us. He knows that CHAOS is king. With every regime change we have there will be more chaos. Who knows ...perhaps he will foster collusion with the democrats. It doesn't mater if it's real collusion. Only if enough of us believe it's collusion.
     
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    Ah, so if, in the opinion of a trumpette, "no damage was done" then election tampering by a foreign power is ok.

    Good to know. The DNC and their candidates should start getting support from the Chinese. Just so long as it's not "measurable".
     
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    They already are:

    "China is conducting an aggressive disinformation and influence campaign designed to block the re-election of President Trump in 2020, according to a dissident Chinese billionaire who until recently was close to senior Beijing leaders."

    https://freebeacon.com/national-security/china-covertly-subverting-trump-reelection/

    The US Election is really a proxy war between the Chinese and the Russians.

    The Dems are selling this country out to China. Why do you think all these lefty posters are so critical of the tariffs imposed on China?

    https://nypost.com/2019/05/11/the-troubling-reason-why-biden-is-so-soft-on-china/
     
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    You talk like you think they wouldn't take it if offered. That's what makes it so easy for the DNC to lead their minions by the nose, true believers.
     
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    For me and all my republican friends, we are first and foremost concerned with the well being of Putin, it is all we ever think about and care about. Oh thank you Donald for showing us the Putin way.
     
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    See ?

    Now that the trumpettes have sanctioned the sale of US elections to the highest foreign bidder, they can abandon the MAGA guise. Globalism, profit and partisanship above all else !
     
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    Pizzagate, look it up. Then tell me if you think Russian meddling had zero impact on the election.
     
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    My accusations are backed by simple observation of what Trump has done since 2016 and the application of common sense. That the KGB knows how to hide its tracks, especially when supported by traitors in this country, doesn't seem that good as proof that they spent millions totally without effect here.

    Of course Trump will ask for Russian support again. He's SAID he will and he's counting on it.

    Moscow Mitch McTreason's betrayal of this country will leave our voting machines CONNECTED TO THE INTERNET. IMO that deserves a shout, don't you think?
     
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    I am proud of what Trump has done since 2016 and look forward to his accomplishments in the next term. To say he asks for or needs Russian help is either propaganda or ignorance.
     
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    Logical fallacy. To be expected. The fact that no damage was done does not penetrate a leftist skull, only that the media reported something from unnamed sources that ended up in the Mueller report.
     
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    Both.
     
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    The answer to the OP's question is simple. NO. LWingers ask the stupidest questions. If you as a LW conspiracy theorist belive that Putin is satisfied with the incumbent president, ask yourself what Putin's most obvious strategy for 2020 might be. Vlad can hedge his bets by backing a democratic primary candidate that he feels is either sympathetic, easy to manipulate, or just totally incompetent. That's the single "win, win" scenario Vlad has available. Vlad can't like the fact that the US economy is roaring, while the Russian economy is stagnant. Look for Vlad to back the DNCer with the most destructive economic policy. If Putin can't get relief from sanctions, the next best option is to wreck his enemy's economy in retaliation. If Putin's intent on meddling, he's meddling now, and he's promoting his favorite demo-commie.
     
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    And true.
     
  18. Aleksander Ulyanov

    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

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    You are assuming the USA's present prosperity is due to Trump, which I can't possibly dissuade you of since Trump says so. Have a nice day.
     
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    Will the DNC try to rig the election by paying for fake information from the Russians again? Will the demoncratic candidate destroy evidence again when they are investigated?
    Them will they project their assess off?
     
  20. PrincipleInvestment

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    No ... I am stating positively, that based on the totality of what I've seen you post, "anarcho-socialist authoritarian atheism" sums up your ideology. That's a cult. ::):
     
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  21. Aleksander Ulyanov

    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

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    Oh wow, I've always wanted my own cult. When do I get to start leading my flock's women astray and take all their money so as to show them how hollow worldly things are?
     
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    You haven't found any bretheran on PF yet? Have you tried Kode? Pepperminttwist is a female, into Chomsky, supports ANTIFA too!
     
  23. Aleksander Ulyanov

    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

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    People on PF actually have brains.
     
  24. PrincipleInvestment

    PrincipleInvestment Well-Known Member

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    Right! That's why so many rely on the antiquated and debunked philosophies of Marx. :lol: Your own "progressive" philosophy is sanction indiscriminate, and universal religious persecution. :applause:
    Good work brain! :lol:
     
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  25. Aleksander Ulyanov

    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

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    Very few if any liberals or progressives follow any form of Marxism nowadays. Hell, MARX once said "One thing I know I am not, and that is a Marxist" in his latter years, and that was about an even century before.

    The last hurrah of that "ideology" was in the early 1970's. The only thing that kept it going that long was the "West's" doctrinaire opposition to it.

    Are you defending cults? Are the Scientologists and the Moonies sterling examples of the kind of citizenry you think we should all aspire to?
     

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