Will Texas be the Next Georgia?

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  1. AARguy

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    Many Americans don't use mass transit much. I was born in the Bronx but now I live in a less urban place. "One size fits all" rules rarely end well. When we eliminate the Houthis and their murderous buddies, military escorts won't be needed.
     
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    What you don't mention is that some suspect certain election officials in Georgia resorted to illegal actions to deny Trump a win there.

    However, the fact the GOP in Georgia didn't seem the least bit interested in investigating it says a lot about how Georgia's Republican leaders view Trump.
     
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    Yes, in Texas the Democrats have steadily increased their vote total from 38% in 2000 to 46.5% in 2020. In Georgia the Democrats increased their voted total from 43.0% in 2000 to 49.5% in 2020. But Georgia went to Bill Clinton in 1992, had a democratic governor from the civil until 2002 along with Georgia’s state legislature being democratic controlled from the civil war until that same year 2002. In my mind, 2002 was the year Georgia switched from being a Democratic state to a Republican one. Texas, the last time Texas went democratic in a presidential 1976.

    In the last three most recent polls done in Texas at the end of February, Trump leads by 8, 4 and 8.

    https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-general/2024/texas/

    Georgia according to RCP averages, Trump leads by 5.7 points

    https://www.realclearpolling.com/polls/president/general/2024/georgia/trump-vs-biden

    You mentioned Pennsylvania, Biden buy 0.5 of a single point, Michigan Trump by 3.5, Nevada Trump by 5.6. Then throw in the other 2 swing states, Arizona Trump by 5.2, Wisconsin, Trump by 1.

    https://www.realclearpolling.com/polls/president/general/2024/pennsylvania/trump-vs-biden

    https://www.realclearpolling.com/polls/president/general/2024/michigan/trump-vs-biden

    https://www.realclearpolling.com/polls/president/general/2024/nevada/trump-vs-biden

    https://www.realclearpolling.com/polls/president/general/2024/arizona/trump-vs-biden

    https://www.realclearpolling.com/polls/president/general/2024/wisconsin/trump-vs-biden

    For me, Biden who was the right choice to defeat Trump in 2020, pretty much a sure bet. Biden is the wrong candidate to defeat Trump in 2024. Many reasons for my thinking here, but the main one is Biden is now president instead of Trump. When a sitting president runs for reelection, that election is usually a referendum on the sitting president, not the challenger. All one must do is look at Biden’s overall job approval rating, his ratings on other issues and his favorable/unfavorable ratings to see why Trump is leading in the polls.


    https://www.realclearpolling.com/polls/president/general/2024/trump-vs-biden
     
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    Yes, admittedly, it's still a long shot for Democrats. It may require a tipping event, like a Trump conviction. All that said, the gist of the header article was that there are a huge number of non-voting blacks. If they start organizing....
     
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    On average 45% of all Americans don’t bother to vote. 2020 was an exceptionally high turnout year, 62% using VAP which means only 38% didn’t vote. In 2020 blacks made up 13% of those who voted, the exact percentage blacks make up in this country. The difference between 2020 when blacks went for Biden 87-12 over Trump, this year 68% of blacks state they’ll vote for Biden, 18% for Trump, the rest in either the vote third party, will not vote or undecided columns.


    https://www.cnn.com/election/2020/exit-polls/president/national-results


    https://d3nkl3psvxxpe9.cloudfront.net/documents/econTabReport_Ba6mR1n.pdf


    That 12% of the black vote Trump received in 2020 was the most for any republican presidential candidate since Gerald Ford received 15% back in 1976. If Trump were to receive the 18% which today state they’d vote for him, that 18% that would be the most since Nixon back in 1960. Another interesting aspect of the black vote is 56% of blacks want Biden to run again, 34% do not. Hispanics are worse, only 31% want Biden to run again, 54% do not. Although 47% of Hispanics state they’ll vote for Biden, 36% state Trump with the rest in the vote third party, will not vote, undecided columns. The 47% of Hispanics who state they’d vote for Biden would be the lowest since 1980 when Pew Research started to keep track of the Hispanic vote. Usually with a couple of exception, the democratic candidate received between 65-70% plus of the Hispanic vote. Why Trump? Probably illegal immigration, the southern border which Hispanic view as a crisis.


    https://www.pewresearch.org/race-et...he-migrant-situation-at-the-us-mexico-border/


    The lack of Hispanic support can explain why Trump leads Biden in Texas and Arizona and is within 4 points of Biden in New Mexico.
     
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    Gee, just think of how wonderful the U.S. will be when there is only ONE political party!!!! :tombstone:

    You had about a week when you were going through a "political moderate phase" when you were concerned about the national debt. Under the Democrats and their Quantitative Easing program the debt can go to infinity, and it won't make a difference. It can get into the quadrillions. What the heck?

    Do you want to play "outlier" when there is one political party? Probably not.
     
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    The dems need to do a better job pointing out the hypocrisy of the Republican Party with their snubbing of the Senate Bipartisan border bill, and it's contents by Trump (from afar). The polls are interesting, but they were sure wrong about the Red Wave in 2022.
     
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    Kind of off-topic, but I'll give my 2 cents. I am a fiscal Conservative. That said, the Republican record is much worse over the last 30 years than the Democrats. Trump accrued the highest debt ($8T) in the history of the US. And even with the massive amount of daily interest, Biden will not surpass Trump. WTG Joe!
     
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    While I agree about the border bill, most Americans are still looking at Biden for a solution. There was never a red wave in the offering for 2022. For a wave election to occur or to be forecasted, one party or the other must lead by 7, 8 points or more in the generic congressional ballot. The republicans never led by more than 4 points with the final polls giving the GOP a 2.5-point advantage which they won the congressional vote by 2.8 points. All the talk about a red wave in 2022 was nothing more than partisan political hyperbolic talk coming from republicans. No poll ever showed a red wave possible.



    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/2022-generic-congressional-vote-7361.html

    In 2018 when the democrats gained 42 seats, the generic final poll gave the democrats a 7.3 point advantage, they won the congressional vote by 8.4.

    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/2018_generic_congressional_vote-6185.html

    In 2010 when the GOP gained 63 seats, they had a 9.4-point lead in the polls.

    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/2010_generic_congressional_vote-2171.html

    2010 and 2018 were wave elections. A wave election is defined as one party or the other gains 30 or more house seats along with gaining control. In case you’re wondering, here’s the generic congressional vote for 2024

    https://www.realclearpolling.com/polls/state-of-the-union/2024/generic-congressional-vote
     
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    People are looking to Biden for a solution to the open border? Huh? HE OPENED IT!
     
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    Not half...
    Not even a third...
    More like a third of a third of a half...
    That would be 1/18th...
    And the description was entirely accurate.
     
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    I have no problem calling idiots... idiots. But its not a good idea, nor is it very mature to call people names.
    1/18th? is that the segment of the population still supporting AOC? Schumer?
     
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    Since 1981 Republicans have been anything but fiscal conservatives.

    Reagan tripled the deficit from his 1st to second years. No wars, no emergencies, just giving money to the rich.
    GHW Bush did his best to reduce the deficit with tax increases and spending restraint.
    Dubya took a surplus, turned into a $150b deficit then drove it further with massive unpaid for spending.
    And Trump drove it up by 1/3 with more tax cuts for the rich.

    Every DEM president since Reagan has worked diligently to overcome GOP "financial conservatism."
     
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    You mean like "vermin" "rapist" "murderer?"

    and 1/18 is Trump's actual support percentage.
     
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    Well he didn't call Haiti a "shithole", if you call that opening it. When do you think people are going to try to enter America - "When the "Shithole" president is in office, or when a diplomat is in office.

    But this is off-topic. I guess if Texas people think "Shithole" is a good way to govern, it might be on topic.
     
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    Ancient history is fun. Wait until you get to modern history... it's even more fun!
     
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    Modern?

    you mean like Joe Biden reducing the deficit Trump left behind?
    While successfully implementing a nationwide vaccine program that saved millions of lives;
    extracting the US from Afghanistan execute the plan Trump was too afraid to try;
    Rebuilding damaged alliances and stopping Putin dead in his tracks...

    Yeah, recent history is a hoot.
     
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    Rapist? Who was convicted of rape? Trump was never convicted of any crime in any criminal court in the nation. Are you saying Biden was convicted of rape? When? Where?

    I know many people are calling Biden a murderer for the human trafficking that is occurring because of his open borders. But I'll wait until he is actually CONVICTED.

    Vermin? Who's that? The liberal anti-semites that compare Jews to vermin today the way the Nazi's once did?

    1/18th??? LOLOLOL... now, for th TRUTH:

    "Donald Trump edged Joe Biden 40%-38% in an exclusive USA TODAY/Suffolk University Poll, a near-tie in a fluid electorate as the candidates head out of the starting gate." (Trump beats Biden in new poll even as views on economy brighten (usatoday.com))
     
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    "Shithole" applies to a place that welcomes illegals to live all over the streets. Such places include NY and CA. "Fun places to live" keep the illegals out and thrive economically. Such places include Texas.

    "Shitholes" don't have state budget SURPLUSES. (Texas has a $32.7 Billion state budget SURPLUS.) "Shitholes have state budget DEFICITS. (California has a state budget DEFICIT of $68 Billion.)

    In case you missed that... SURPLUS GOOD!... DEFICIT BAD!
     
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    OK Then.
    We'll just let your St. Patty's Day happy wear off.
     
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    The day Trump left office, the national deficit was $165 Billion (https://www.cbo.gov/system/files/2021-02/56976-MBR.pdf)
    Today, after Biden's failure, the national deficit is $1.7 TRILLION (what is the us deficit today - Search (bing.com))

    Your claim that Biden reduced Trump's deficit is PURE BS... NOT EVEN CLOSE

    Trump was the one that got the China Virus vaccine approved for use. His "Operation Warp Speed" got DEA approval in record time. Because of Trump, Biden was able to be vaxxed before he took office. Again, your claim is bogus,

    The "deal" Trump made with the Taliban was cancelled before he left office. The whole thing was "quid pro quo"... "you do THIS and we will do THAT". When the Taliban refused to set up a ceasefire with the Afghani government, the "deal" ended. Biden had SEVEN MONTHS AND TWENTY DAYS (more time than it took to plan, prepare for, and execute the massive invasion of Guadalcanal in WWII.) to come up with something else. In the end, all Biden did was to cowardly run away from Afghanistan, abandoning American citizens, allies and noncombatants in the process. In his panicked skedaddle from Afghanistan he also gifted the terrorist Taliban billions of dollars of warfighting equipment. Biden's cowardice in Afghanistan was reinforced by his cowardly failure to stop that Chinese intelligence gathering balloon until it had traversed the entire United States. That cowardice was seen again in Biden's cowardly failure to react in any meaningful way to Russia's downing a multimillion dollar Predator drone over international waters in the Black Sea. Some sources (including an ex French Prime Minister and the Prime Minister of Sweden) credit Biden's consistent cowardice for emboldening Putin to attack Ukraine.

    What "damaged alliances" are you referring to? Trump influenced all NATO members to live up to their commitment of spending 2% of their GDP on defense, strengthening all of NATO. He established the first signed agreement between Israel and islamic countries with the "Abraham Accords" he established. He also got a commitment from North Korea to stop nuclear weapon and missile testing, which was lived up to and only resumed when Biden took office.

    Putin wasn't "stopped i his tracks". Check out his latest advances.
     
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    Can you lose the non-response? Trump has never been convicted of any crime in any criminal court in the nation. You DENY THIS? REALLY? Please name the court and decision if you can.

    Trump leads Biden slightly in the polls.

    Are yoiu so afraid, so unable to respond in a meaningful way, so unable to present any FACTS... that you must respond with a childish insult?
     
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    DUDE!

    go back and reread that post.
    it enjoyed neither linguistic nor factual support.
    It addressed nothing about the topic and never joined to thoughts cogently.
     
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    Your deception and lies aren't even clever. They're just blatantly ridiculous. From your CBO.GOV link -

    The federal government incurred a deficit of $165 billion in January 2021, CBO estimates— $132 billion more than the deficit in January 2020.

    First of all this is a monthly deficit. Secondly, look at the jump from January 2020. That's a 400% increase!!! That's what Biden inherited from the from the most fiscally irresponsible president ever.

    Trump built $8 Trillion in debt over 4 years. That's the highest debt ever for a president. The deficit rose every year he was in office, even prior to COVID. Contrast this with Obama/Biden, who reduced the deficit in 5 of their 8 years.

    How's Biden doing? His debt is projected to be $7 Trillion over his 4 years. I would like it to be better, but considering the mismanaged COVID crisis that he inherited, it's probably as good as can be expected. He also inherited a crumbling infrastructure that was an abject failure of the previous administration.

    Every future president will inherit Trump's mess. Considering the daily compounded interest on the debt, it's amazing that Biden's debt is below Trump's.

    Next time, it might serve your case better, if your off-topic rants contained some elements of truth.
     

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