Will the economy of the European Union defeat Putin?

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  1. Interaktive

    Interaktive Well-Known Member

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    Will the economy of the European Union defeat Putin?
    it is the main investor in Ukraine
    the economy wins the war, not the army
     
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    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    This is an excellent theory......
    .....
    The war in the Ukraine could actually cause the economy of the European Union to absolutely surge!!!!!!

    In a way......

    Trudeau and Biden's advisors may have terrible timing and a lack of understanding of the larger picture that is going on worldwide.....


    Do Biden's advisors and Trudeau's advisors seem to want to crash the markets?



    I do hope that England will not shoot themselves in the foot.......

    by completely missing out on what seems to be happening......

    England is all set up to become a driving force in the world economy.....


    Influential people in England are highly influenced by Neo - Malthusian economic theory and philosophy......
    but the rest of the world is breaking free of the type of chains that Bill Gates and Al Gore want to put on Middle Class people!
     
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    Ddyad Well-Known Member

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    Russia's economy is being eviscerated by the Putin regime.

    Gazprom’s very public suicide

    The energy crisis initiated before Russia invaded Ukraine may be the last one thanks to Gazprom’s impressive suicide in Europe. Moscow may start using hybrid war tools more frequently considering the growing number of incidents connected to Russian gas with unknown perpetrators.

    January 26, 2024 - Wojciech Jakóbik - Articles and Commentary

    Gazprom's very public suicide
    New Eastern Europe
    https://neweasterneurope.eu › Posts

    Jan 26, 2024 — The energy crisis initiated before Russia invaded Ukraine may be the last one thanks to Gazprom's impressive suicide in Europe.
    https://neweasterneurope.eu/2024/01/26/gazproms-very-public-suicide/
     
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  4. yangforward

    yangforward Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    GDP US 2023 = 27.356 Trillion Dollars
    GDP NATO '23 = Somewhat similar
    GDP Russian Fed = 2.240 Trillion Dollars

    If the US and NATO combined can't defeat Russia right now despite
    having 24 times the GDP of Russia, maybe we should cave-in and
    agree to negotiate, maybe.
     
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    Before this war between Russia and Ukraine, Russia was said to have the economy of Italy. They're demonstrating this isn't so. I'm thinking the way we estimate a nation's productivity doesn't always work. How self sufficient are they? Is their GDP lower because they can do much more with less? Dunno.
     
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    Doesn't Russia supply massive amounts of oil and gas?
     
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    yangforward Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Their weapons might be better because they are intended to work rather
    than to make money for the manufacturers, that might make a two to one
    improvement, but people will have to work out the rest for themselves.

    If I suggested it's because Russia justifiably felt threatened with an enemy
    on their very border, people will tell me I'm on the Kremlin narrative.

    If I suggested moral was far better because Russia is fighting for it's existence
    whereas, while the Ukrainians are by all accounts fighting very bravely, though
    not for an obvious objective, again I will be discounted.

    Hopefully this thread will come up with an answer compatible with the US narrative.
     
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    Russia would be far better off if it pursued policies to grow its economy than waged war. Unfortunately Putin agrees with the Stalinist model. Threaten and attack your neighbors. That’s the Putin way.
     
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    IF... the European economy can break out of the mindless submission the the hairball Al Gore Carbon Tax Theory......

    and instead go into something productive such as investment in mega-scale sea water desalination......

    then..... the European economy will defeat Russia!

    www.BankingSystemsFlaws.blogspot.ca
     
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    Russia was in a big rebuilding program until the US decided to move NATO into the
    country next door, raise an army of 680,000 soldiers there, place missiles in Romania
    and Poland pointing at Moscow, and supply the UAF with artillery and shells which
    they used to step up their bombardment of Donetsk.

    That interrupted the rebuilding program.
     
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    yangforward Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Chronology often gives a clue to cause and effect.
    Congress voted to send a shipment of 300 million
    dollars of weapons to Ukraine, and 300 million dollars
    of soldier pay to Ukraine sometime in the middle of
    2021.

    It took the weapons months to be collected from the
    warehouses, made up for shipment, to reach the
    ships, get to Poland, be transported to Kyiv and
    finally reach the front lines and be put into use,
    becoming a heavy bombardment by Feb 19th.

    Obvious question, how could there be a front line,
    on Feb 19th bombarding Donetsk, when the
    violence is blamed on Russian forces for moving
    in 5 days later.

    The Biden government on Feb 24th claimed:
    "The Russian military has begun a brutal assault on
    the people of Ukraine without provocation, without
    justification, without necessity."

    People who want to believe the war in Ukraine was
    not initiated by the US neocons have a lot of
    adjustments to make to the known dates, such as
    the US weapons and the bombardment preceded
    the Russian response.


    As for the European economy defeating Russia, I
    don't think apart from the former colonizing nations
    of Britain and France, that even half of
    Europe is on board with the story that
    'Russia started it'.
     
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    Where is the "poll" ?
     
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    yangforward Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yes, and that was a major part of the Russian GDP, and that's why the US blew it up.

    That also harmed German manufacturing capability a lot, and now is harming their
    ability to contribute weapons for killing Russians.

    Proverbs 26 v 27 "Whoever digs a pit will fall into it."
     
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    You don't think the Russian invasion of Crimea had anything to do with it?
     
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    yangforward Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    do you have any evidence that Russia did invade Crimea and took Crimea from Kyiv?

    Something like how many soldiers on which side died? Something specific?
    'Joe Biden said so' does not count, nor Wikipedia verbiage written by Kyiv.
     
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    You could sure be right. And maybe that's exactly why Putin appointed Andrey Belousov, an economist, to be the new Russian Minister of Defence.
     
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    "Russian economic growth hits 5.4%"

    Oh, I can hear all the bitching and clamoring now because this news story appeared in RT -- BUT -- within the story is this revelation from the International Monetary Fund (IMF)...

    "In April, the International Monetary Fund (IMF) said it expects the Russian economy to grow faster than all advanced economies in 2024. GDP is forecast to expand by 3.2%, exceeding the expected growth rates for the US (2.7%), the UK (0.5%), Germany (0.2%) and France (0.7%)."

    Nobody would ever say the IMF is a "Russia-friendly" organization. Not hardly! The IMF is stooge-organization that serves the central banks of countries in "the West", but even it must obey the law of economic mathematics.

    So, yeah... it looks like whether anybody in "the West" likes the Russians or not, they're certainly holding their own and doing pretty well.... Meanwhile, the United States has a national debt-versus-GDP ratio of 123% -- and RISING! That same ratio for Russia is 17.2%. Link: https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/debt-to-gdp-ratio-by-country :omg:
     
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  18. Joe knows

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    Being that Russia shrank by -2.1 percent GDP in 2022 it only stands to reason they have potential to grow. That said, I’m not surprised and I don’t understand why you are. Even at that growth it still doesn’t even come close to our GDP numbers
     
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    Well, I'm not a Russia 'cheerleader', but even though their GDP isn't as big as ours, neither is their DEBT. It came out this week that now our United States government pay more in interest on the national debt than it does on national defense! And, with Democrats running things, in an election year, you can bet everything that our indebtedness will not (NOT) decrease!
     
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