Will the UK really let Alfie Evans die in a hospital unwilling to treat him?

How absolutely rotten and low do some human beings have to go. Well this story pretty much says it all. This adorable little guy is still alive after they took him off the ventilator when the INEPT idiot doctors there in that hospital in the UK said he would die immediately.

The disgusting LOATHSOME hospital are holding this child hostage and won't let the parents take him to Italy which has offered to cover all the costs and try to help him. They refuse to let these parents take their OWN CHILD to Italy to seek other treatment.

I mean it just doesn't get any dirtier or lower than this and since there is no other reason for this, speculation is that these horrible sociopaths running the hospital simply don't want somebody else to help the boy because it will make them look bad if they're successful. So in other words they're worried about their reputations more than saving the life of this little boy. I mean it just doesn't get any worse than this. Where is the Queen or royal family in this matter? There has to be someone that can over rule this BS. How can a hospital over rule the parents and hold on to their child to ensure he dies?

WELL FCK THAT HOSPITAL AND ALL THE OFFICIALS In that country for allowing this to happen. Everyone in the world should be outraged and lose all respect for those murdering officials in that country over this.








http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2018...s-die-in-hospital-unwilling-to-treat-him.html

 

It's still amazing how many people there are who want the government to look after their personal and their family's health care.

 

If this is what's referred to as socialized medicine, where they can decide who lives and who dies and not allow patients to seek other sources, I want no part of it.

 

Hope the Christian Legal Centre is quickly rooted out of this country and the bastards who want this boy to suffer in the name of their imaginary god prosecuted.

 

Yes the UK will allow this child to die.

The last parents who took their dying kid to a foreign hospital to have him cured were arrested for their trouble.
When the NHS says your child must die, your child must die.

NHS is a religion here.
Whatever you do, do not mimic it in your country.

 

I'm not strongly against universal healthcare, but the NHS seems to be an encapsulation of just what not to do. It seems extremely bureaucratized.

I can't seem to find arguments in favor of not letting the kid leave the hospital. I assume that there is some plausible reason for this. What am I missing?

 

It's too powerful. Too big.
A monopoly. A political force.

The doctors simply and truly believe that they know best. That is all.
That their judgement is unquestionable.
They believe it is their decision to take.

 

Doctors and parents have to decide when the point has come where the discomfort/pain caused to the child exceeds any hope for the future. There is no way this child would not have been allowed to be involved in the experiments its parents wished had they not believed the situation was simply prolonging the negatives with no hope for anything better. Doctors make their decision on what is best for the child. In this case it cannot even be said expense was an issue as they would not have had to pay.

There seems to have been a lot of fake news on this.

Staff in the hospital have had to put up with threats to their lives.

The child yesterday was still alive. If he manages to stay alive on his own then I would imagine other options might be open.

While it is very hard losing a child, part of love is understanding when you need to let go.

 

I presume you mean the lying scum who had their son treated by the excellent NHS then headed off with him to their holiday home in Spain!

 

you understand that another country with universal healthcare is trying to get britain to let them care for him right

like maybe if that's the case your analysis is a little... shallow?

 

"To let them care for him" is only a phrase you'd hear in relation to nationalized healthcare, that's the concern, and it's not unreasonable.

 

And there's another nationalized healthcare system that seems to behave more ethically. I think this is a very clear clue that the real reason for this problem is more complex than the mere existence of nationalized healthcare.

 

Were this in America they'd be screaming to cut him off. That kind of care is expensive

 

And I assume that most would. That does little to allay reasonable fears, especially regarding direct government administration.''

Sarah Palin's whinging about "death panels" seems a little less laughable reading an article like this.

 

When has anybody done that?

 

Yeah, that's the reality of governments. As long as they exist, you'll have to put in constant vigilance to keep them from killing everyone

 

You think it's a homicidal tendency among UK bureaucrats at the core of this matter?

 

Considering the ******ned tories have a hardon for draining funding to the NHS and making it harder to access whenever possible, yeah. Advocating policies that will make poor people die is murderous.

 

That is a lie. No doctor claimed he would die immediately following removal of life support.

That is another lie. First, the Italian (technically Vatican) hospital isn't offering treatment. Nobody is able to offer treatment for his apparently unique condition. Secondly, the hospital is not "holding the child hostage". The medical staff are legitimately concerned about the ongoing suffering his could face if his life support is continued indefinitely. It is the courts, after hearing and considering evidence from all parties, who have reached the conclusions over what should and should not happen to Alfie based upon his best interests.

I think the phrase you're looking for is "libellous accusations". Staff, patients and visitors to the hospital have been threatened and attacked on the back of accusations like yours.

There is. There are a series of appeal and high courts, on to European courts. The parents have appealed to each and every one of them, some multiple times and every single time the courts have ruled against them.

If the situation was reversed, with the doctors wishing to continue life support and the parents wanting to switch it off, would you switch your position to support the parents wishes or would you be throwing vicious accusations at them instead?

 

Pretty low, obviously, considering how frequently these unwarranted attacks against the NHS come up in the "news" and how widely they are shared (by people like you) on social media. It stinks when people have to lose a child due to some untreatable medical condition, but this politicizing of their tragedy as a way to flog the socialized medicine horse is one clear way that people take it to a very low level.

By the way,

Alfie Evans' father offers olive branch to hospital staff
After intense legal battle over life support, family offers to work with medical team on palliative care plan

The father of 23-month-old Alfie Evans, who is at the centre of a life-support treatment battle, has said he wants to build bridges with hospital staff.

Making a statement outside Alder Hey children’s hospital, where his son is being treated, Tom Evans thanked staff “for their dignity and professionalism” and acknowledged the legal battle must have been an “incredibly difficult time” for them.

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Alfie, who has an undiagnosed degenerative brain disease, has been at the centre of a protracted legal fight in which UK doctors have argued that his condition will not improve, that he is suffering and should be allowed to die.

“We got rejected yesterday to go to Italy unfortunately,” said Tom Evans on Thursday morning. “We could take it further but would that be the right thing to do, would there be more criticism? So what we do today is we have a meeting with the doctors at Alder Hey and we now start asking to go home.

“Alfie doesn’t need intensive care any more. Alfie is lying on the bed with one litre of oxygen going into his lungs and the rest is him. Some people say it’s a miracle. It’s not a miracle; it’s a misdiagnosis.”

A ventilator was withdrawn from the child on Tuesday and supporters hailed it as a miracle that he had been able to breathe for so long unaided. But, speaking at Wednesday’s hearing, a barrister for Alder Hey said the parents had not engaged in any discussion about withdrawal of care and that doctors had never said death would be instantaneous after his ventilator was removed.

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Mr Justice Hayden said that although Alfie had been a “fighter” since his life support had been removed, his condition had “almost entirely wiped out” his brain matter and he stood no chance of recovery.

The Italian hospital had acknowledged it could not find a cure, but had proposed maintaining Alfie’s life for about two weeks while doctors tried to investigate his condition.

... full article: https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...ts-to-meet-doctors-to-discuss-taking-boy-home

Now why don't you quit pretending you understand this situation in any meaningful way and that your opinion is at all fact-based and reasonable?

 

So you, unlike Alexa, believe that the choice to let the kid die is being made for financial reasons?

 

Ok I noticed this is a fox news article. Let's try something else to get some balance

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/apr/26/alfie-evans-parents-activists

The article goes on to describe some of the people using the tragic situation of this child for their own political ends.

 

For anyone really interested in this case here is a full transcript of the judgment made by Mr Justice Hayden:

https://www.judiciary.gov.uk/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/alder-hey-v-evans.pdf

 

Yeah. They'd be willing to keep caring for the kid if it wasn't so damn hard on the budget

 

For sure. The kid having no prospects for survival at this point surely has nothing at all to do with it.