Will Trump try his failed fake elector scheme again in 2024?

Trump can't handle losing, and can never get beyond having lost.

He broods, pisses and moans, and lashes out hysterically at Americans, Republicans included, who respect democracy and acknowledge reality.

His January 6, 2021 goons' attack upon outnumbered police failed, and over a thousand of his goons have been prosecuted.
Law enforcement will be far better prepared in 2024.

Of his various schemes to overcome the will of the People in 2020, might he repeat his attempt to have his fake electors replace legitimate ones,
or has he exhausted that caper?

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New Mexico's fake electors in Trump's 2020 election indictment​

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Pennsylvania's fake electors in the third Trump indictment
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I doubt very much that a "Fake elector" scheme would work in 2024. Everyone can see the serious legal trouble the fake electors from 2020 are facing and only an idiot would sign up for that in 2024

 

He will push for it again. It won't work. He will also push for certain locations (*cough* Detroit *cough*) to just not be counted, like he did before. That's more likely to work and more worrisome. He has plenty of allies who will just refuse to certify results they don't like. But that also won't work. It will be more successful than the last time he tried it, but it will still ultimately fail.

 

Yes, + other forms of fraud, and he'll probably ask Putin for help again.

 

There is no doubt whatsoever that, if he loses again, he again will not be able to handle it.

When he then lashes out at democracy and America's justice system in one way or another, a cult that is impervious to reason will be aroused by it.

 

They may not be fake electors in 2024. Being a statistical tie when you are this far out and a sitting POTUS not really good a tea leaves reading for Joe.

 

I know I do not trust him not to again.

 

You’re taking it for granted Biden will win which I wouldn’t do. Ever since January, Biden and Trump have been within a point or two of each other. I don’t see that changing anytime soon. Which makes this upcoming election a 50-50 proposition.


https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2024/president/us/general-election-trump-vs-biden-7383.html


Regardless, I’d say the fake elector scheme has run it course. Although there’s that 50% chance Trump might win fair and square and not need any scheme at all. At least as of today.

 

In some ways , I dread this coming election as the Trump circus will be bad either way. Bad if he gets elected with his agenda for revenge, and bad if he loses as we will see an even angrier , more petulant Trump doing what he has been doing, but on steroids'. It has not been a pleasant time since the last elation and one cannot see it getting any better.
His inability to accept a loss is the biggest sign of his personality disorder and his unfitness for the job .It is unseemly that the polls favor him that much...... as if this is what so many want in office.....then something has radically changed and not for the better. Cult of personlaity seems to outweigh values and good judgement.

 

I don't take it for granted that Biden or Trump will win.

I do take it for granted that, if Biden were to lose, he would not deny the People's will, insist that he had won "in a landslide!," incite goons to attack the Capitol, try to intimidate governors and secretaries of states into fixing the vote, and try fake elector scams to cling to power.

I largely disregard current polls. I expect that it will be close, but far too much will be happening in courtrooms and elsewhere before November 2024.

 

Regrettably, you nailed it.

It's a lose/lose proposition for America.

 

Again? He's still not done trying it from 2020 yet.

 

Just love, the OP, so how often do you beat your wife?

 

I don’t disregard the polls; they show you where things stand today. Also, one can pick up trends over a longer period of the time. The only trend I see is one of stagnation. Trump and Biden have been in a basic dead heat since January 2023. Both candidates favorable/unfavorable have also been steady with little movement over the same time period. Basically 40% favorable/55% unfavorable for both. Biden’s overall job approval and his approval/disapproval on how he has handled the issues, hardly any movement up or down over the last year. The trend is no trend unless stagnation and steadiness are the trend.

As I said, I don’t see this stagnation or lack of movement changing anytime soon. Basically, you have a third of the people pro-Trump, a third pro-Biden and a third who dislike both and don’t want neither one. It’s how this latter third comes down that will decide the election. Today many of this latter third state they’ll stay home and not vote or vote third party against both Trump and Biden. This also I don’t see changing much. Perhaps the trials if they begin in March will change things. All the indictments and charges against Trump, the civil suits haven’t budged the numbers. No guarantee the trials will.

A casual observation, what we have here is one candidate really disliked as a person, an indicted candidate, an egotist who has a rude, uncouth, obnoxious personality but one quite a lot of this latter third thinks done a decent job of president. In other words, many in this latter third feel they were better off under Trump than under Biden. Then you have Biden which many in this latter third feel he’s done a poor job as president, roughly 40% of all Americans approve of the job Biden has done, 55% disapprove. They rate him below water on all the issues, but like him as a person. They’re also very afraid of his age, that he may not survive another 4 years in office and fear Biden’s mental acumen may be leaving him.

This rematch between Biden and Trump is a choice many in this latter third don’t want to make. They see a Biden 4 years younger as a very acceptable alternative to Trump and voted that way, against Trump in 2020. 4 years later, reelection time, that Biden isn’t that acceptable alternative as he once was. Many in this latter third view both major party candidates as unacceptable.

 

Part of what worries me about the fake elector scheme and the "well how about we just don't certify the votes we don't like" schemes is this: No, I don't think it will hold up in court. But I do think it could hold up in court long enough to kick the vote to the House. Which was always the goal. And that only has to happen once to put us on the path of the death of democracy. I could easily see the SC ruling that, "Okay, no more doing this in the future. But we've passed the official date for the EC vote, so our only option is to go to the House."

 

Except we have no evidence that the OP has ever beaten anyone. And we do have evidence . . . objective proof . . . that the Trumpists engaged in a fake elector scheme.

 

In my opinion the scheme was almost certainly an attempt at delay, thinking it could buy them more time to investigate the election and be able to find proof of fraud, to be able to convince enough of the contested states to change their votes in the Electoral College.

In my opinion, obviously the scheme would have had little chance of long-term success all by itself, and would not have held up to legal scrutiny very long.

A lot of those on the Left hate the Electoral College, but the good thing about the Electoral College is it's nearly impossible to commit fraud in the final round of voting, and who the President is will never be in dispute. Unlike with individual people, you can't make people believe a certain state voted a certain way if they didn't.
The U.S. Constitution pays no respect to how individual people voted when it comes to deciding who is President. That job is handed to the states.

 

Trump is a fighter, always has been, always will be.

 

He bitches constantly, indeed,

Reality always wins, though.

 

Fighting for what you believe in is, in many cases (but not all), an admirable trait.

Trump was not fighting, he was conning. He was breaking the law to maintain power. He is now facing the consequences of his action.

 

But NOT in a constructive way. His way is too destructive. and leaves too many unnecessary "casualties" To him , everything is personal..........and that makes him too emotional as opposed to being sane and pragmatic.

 

Lets hope he simply wins the election and makes all of these discussions obsolete.

 

think you meant whiner...was a whiner, always will be

 

It's a lose/lose proposition with the Loser.

 

He won’t have to… Americans just needed a dose of Biden to wake up