Will you Please Wear A Mask Now

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    Who said anything about known infected people being out and about? Are you saying you don’t think there are asymptomatic and pre symptomatic people out and about?
     
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    Sigh. Main point being, if you have it (even if you don't know it,) why would you want to give it to others? That's a very anti-life view on this.
     
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    I agree. But as that is completely irrelevant to anything I posted it seems like you may be trying to distract from what I did post. No worries. I said nobody likes to talk about it and I guess I’m being proven correct. :)
     
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    Talk about what? The efficacy of masks? I'm solidly pro-mask. The benefits are demonstrable.
     
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    Talk about the danger of an individual wearing a mask in the early infection period causing themselves to infect more of their own cells faster, resulting in increased viral load and more severe symptoms—or possibly death. I guess you aren’t always curious if information outside the accepted narrative doesn’t interest you in the least. I prefer to analyze information on both sides of an issue when making my decisions. Because of this I sometimes make the erroneous assumption others do too. I apologize for assuming too much. :)
     
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    So, is it better for that person to send infectious disease spittle to everyone within 30 feet of them?
     
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    I guess that’s up to the individual to decide. Not everyone may want to be a potential martyr. Some people may value their own life over the life of others. It’s actually quite common and the basis of accepted norms like right to self defense, etc. I know acts of selflessness are cathartic and have their place. I would never tell someone to sacrifice their life for another though, just as I would never tell someone doing so is of no value.

    It should be the informed choice of the individual. I’m just alerting you all to information you won’t see anywhere else. Do with it what you will.
     
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    Our numbers would be exponentially worse if nobody was wearing masks. The more viral load a person receives, the worse their illness is. The masks are keeping all of our viral loads way down.

    I think anyone so afraid of getting sick that they fear their mask will be the cause, should just stay home.
     
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    Probably so, all else being equal. We could do better than masks, but masks in public are just the degree of inconvenience most are willing to tolerate. They could cut their risk to themselves and others exponentially, but that would require more sacrifice than they are willing to give. Shoot, people aren’t even willing to protect their families at home with masks. LOL. All the talk of saving others is just talk if you won’t do what really limits spread.
    That’s my point. It’s possible you could make your illness much worse by wearing a mask.
    See above. For some it may be increasing their viral load. Did you even read the pull quotes I provided?

    I think anyone serious about their own safety and the safety of others should have stayed home early on and now all this would be over. But you and others couldn’t be inconvenienced to do so. I think anyone going out for any reason except absolute essentials with a mask should just stay home if they are serious about the safety of others. Why is it ok to do non essential things with a mask when all you are doing is cutting the risk to others an amount we are having a hard time even quantifying? You can tell yourself that ribeye you’ve been dreaming of at your favorite restaurant is worth a small chance you may kill someone by going to get it with a mask but not worth the larger chance without a mask. But the fact is that’s just subjective rationalization of bad behavior when you could put nobody at any risk by staying home and eating a can of pork and beans.

    Do your own rationalizing and make your decisions, but don’t discount the decisions others make when they are using more complete information to make those decisions than you are.
     
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    You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. I've only been going out for groceries approximately twice a month since early March. Maybe 10 times?

    Seriously. WTF?
     
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    Good for you. Seriously, that’s encouraging. I didn’t mean to single you out specifically, my beef is with the overall cavalier attitude these days that masks cover for other irresponsible behavior and the erroneous declarations there aren’t downsides to mask usage.

    But yes, I do know what I’m talking about because I didn’t go anywhere but my property from mid February till June and even then my behavior is subject to scrutiny because I ordered a few things off Amazon during that time, putting other people’s lives at risk. I put people at risk! Because of my selfishness.

    Perhaps I’ve been unclear. My point isn’t to criticize you or others for behavior. It’s to show our judgmental inclinations are based on subjectivity, and thus are merely fodder for our own egos, nothing more.
     
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    We can't completely shut down. To suggest otherwise is silly.

    The truck drivers aren't bad off. Our delivery drivers are in their vehicles alone all day, and rarely run into people. We order a lot from Amazon. We try to support the independent sellers on AZ as much as possible.

    Masks should be worn while out doing the necessary things. I've never had mine on for more than 20 minutes.
     
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    We can’t because people don’t want to be inconvenienced. If we want to continue to live like first worlders in a pandemic, we have to sacrifice some life and health to do so. That’s the choice we made. It’s not silly, it’s just a fact.

    LOL. So you think the only people forced to work and risk their lives to get stuff to your door are delivery drivers? Supporting independent sellers is cool though. :)
    My problem is with most people’s definition of “necessary”. But if wearing a mask in public is all people are willing to do, I guess that’s what we will live with. :)
     
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    I have no idea where you are coming from. I'm not an anti-mask hoaxer. I've been following this thing since January. We are taking it VERY seriously. You seem to be under the impression that no economic activity whatsoever should be happening. That's ridiculous. People should starve because you don't think grocery stores should be open? People shouldn't shop online? That's madness. We've easily spent $5,000 online from various sites since this thing started. Everything from paper towels, salt for the pool, deodorant and much needed supplies for our home office. All kinds of things.

    You think I should starve, let me pool turn green, and I shouldn't have the tools to do my job?
     
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    I’m not pro mask or anti mask. I just point out information people can use to make decisions and point out those decisions are usually based on personal desires (selfishness) no matter how often we tell ourselves otherwise.

    We had our shot at hard shutdowns early and blew it because very few were prepared for a pandemic. No open grocery store doesn’t necessarily equate with starvation. I know of many people who didn’t buy groceries for months and didn’t starve. Most people chose not to be prepared.

    I referenced addiction to first world living being the obstacle to serious measures to stop a pandemic and you’ve shown me to be correct. When you start in on green pools and deodorant it’s obvious where priorities lie.

    Again, I bought mud boots, bandage scissors, and an ATV ignition module for my business off Amazon in March. First world stuff. There are things we value more than 100% safety for ourselves and others. What percentage safety we are willing to trade for which conveniences is subjective and up to the individual.
     
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    Well, I personally subscribe to the philosophy that every action is out of selfishness, even if the selfish point is self-satisfaction that someone was helped. So, giving actions are also selfish.

    The blatant disregard for human life, though, is a an extreme selfish that I can't understand. I would never do anything to intentionally harm someone. Refusal to wear a mask is a blatant admission that human life is not respected.
     
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    Agree.
    How is not wearing a mask a blatant admission human life is not respected, but repeatedly going out with a mask when it isn’t necessary to go out not the same admission? Is not wearing a mask at home around family an admission a family members’s life isn’t respected?
     
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    Because a couple dozen hoaxers have told me that protecting human lives is not their responsibility. They have no obligation to help anyone.
     
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    Was protecting human life with a mask our responsibility before 2020? Weight disparities of passenger vehicles significantly affect mortality rates in accidents. Are we obligated now to all drive vehicles weighing no more than 2500 lb.?

    I believe it’s important to think this all through on a level much deeper than a simple mask. This is not the last time we will see concern for public good or safety used to influence behavior or infringe on individual rights. And now it’s obvious people are only interested in the popular state sanctioned narrative. There is no interest in even being exposed to information not supportive of the sanctioned narrative. We have become a society content to let authorities do the thinking for us. I’m not comfortable with that. Are you?
     
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    It seems you aren't even attempting to understand my point. Let's just leave it here.
     
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    That is because your point is stale and disproved many times. Mask wearing contributes to a false sense of security and nothing more.

    Healthcare workers wearing masks HAVE been infected while wearing the mask.
     
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    Yes. If the purpose of the mask was to prevent the mask wearer from getting COVID, you'd have a point, because it won't do that.

    All these months later and still so many are utterly baffled as to why we are wearing masks.
     
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    But they are obediently doing as told by authorities, demonstrating herd mentality beautifully. And of course they are asking no damn questions, as is expected of the herd.
     
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    This makes no sense. You've been solidly anti-mask. Did you have your "AHA" moment and realize nobody has been lying to you?
     
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    LOL, no, somewhere around 1970 I realized that pretty much everybody in government (with a few notable exceptions) had been lying to the entire country, not just me.
     

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