Within Everything Exists Everything

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  1. DEFinning

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    I'm sure that's not what he means, either. Maybe something closer to the episode of South Park, about the boys finding out that their parents had been lying to them, about the tooth fairy, so Stan has a crisis, over not knowing what's real, and disappears into a state in which he is both everywhere and nowhere, nothing and everything. I'm not a big fan of the show, but I did catch that episode, last night: Season 4, Episode 1, from 2000.
     
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    I'm saying you are making a philosophical argument that isn't helpful toward any possible goal or answering any possible question that humans could formulate.

    It is well known that there are questions that humans won't be able to answer for a very long time - which is equivalent to saying we'll never know.

    Your "real understanding" limitation does not enlighten us concerning how we should proceed.

    In fact, it doesn't even help in determining how to accept knowledge we develop.
     
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    No, a sensible person is aware that things aren't necessarily happening at the moment that photons hit our eyes. There is a delay. In everyday life, most of the delay is probably in the processing time between the retina and interpretation by our brains. So, you have to learn how to catch a ball, because the ball is not at the location you might think.

    When it is something at great distance, we know there is a delay due to light speed, but the only sensible way to talk about it is to represent the view from our reference frame.

    That doesn't mean we're confused.

    Yes, we may not have the available equipment to figure out when it DID happen. Our binocular vision is useless at astronomical distances. But, that's well known.

    You're working too hard at trying to claim confusion when none exists.
     
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    But we don't believe that we are seeing the actual stars, as they are, at the given moment, do we? Don't we, at least now, understand that we are seeing all the light, currently reaching our eyes?
     
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    It's been nice chatting with you. Good luck.
     
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    You are basically saying the same thing. If it takes x amount of time for the light to be perceived for object a and 2x for object b, you are coincidentally seeing things happening at different times.
     
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    Any Republican voting for Liz Cheney as speaker better be mailing out resumes because he won't have a job in Congress.
    Really, this whole issue is yet another LW wet dream to sooth their hurt feelings. :cry:
     
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    I'd have to eat me some mushrooms to participate in this thread...
     
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    Everything is possible but that doesn't mean that everything is probable....Golden teachers...
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    If you ever want to return to reality say hello.
     
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    Those are toad stools they will take you completely out of the corporal plane.
     
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    Like so many young people, you believe you already have it figured out. Keep this bit of wisdom in mind...
    "At 21 you know everything, then every year after that you know less and less and less."
     
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    you posted binary options. There's infinite options in between up and down. Depending on what part of up and/or down something is in and to what level one can break it down.
     
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    I don't think denying reality is an age thing.
     
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    But that way of interpreting it, is your personal one. IOW, I am seeing the light from the star, which is reaching me, in that moment; I don't think I am actually seeing the star-- which would be the only way, one could say that they were seeing something "from the past." That is, the light I am seeing, is present, in that very moment (or else I wouldn't be able to see it). It is only your connecting of that contemporary light phenomenon, with its origin, in the past, that creates an intermixing of times, in your mind.
     
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    If we can't understand anything, how do we just make it up as we go?
    We can't understand the difference between made up or not made up.

    Maybe what we made up is actual real. But how would we know? We are not capable of understanding anything. So you say.
     
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    How can anyone understand they can not understand? Without understanding?
     
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    How can it be refuted what you are saying, since you claim to not understand what is being said?
     
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    Indeed. I myself took the photo back in June while I was riding in the wooded cattle pasture that my friend owns. He owns 70 Acres there that I can ride my dirt bike or go camping or do anything I want as long as it isn't illegal. Perhaps when the missus feels a bit better we shall go camping this winter.

    It is a possibility. Meyybehh?
     
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    One thing our species has learned through modern science is that, indeed, everything we thought we felt and knew is illusion. Not that it isn't real, but that the manner in which we take it as real is the result of very limited perceptions and resulting (often false) conclusions.
     
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    Everything exists as unlimited infinite potential. Just because we cannot sense it with our five senses does not mean it does not exist.

    If something were not possible that means it could not exist but all things are possible even though not all things are likely to occur. ( At least in our limited time on this plane of existence and with our senses...)

    Take the invention of radio waves and electricity. The potential always existed but we were not aware of it until we harnessed its capabilities.
     
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    I believe there is actually one true reality and only to the degree that we ourselves on an individual level perceive it accurately do we exist within that reality.

    What we call our own reality? If it is not in accordance with the actual true reality.... To that extent we live in our own little false world... A matrix of our own creation.
     
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    Perhaps you can describe Reality and prove it?
     
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    The collapse of Time :)
     

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