Woman fights off attacker with gun in mall parking lot

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  1. Jake21

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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMEmB7ZKBew&list=PL_t3arbbQ1uwTGWH7_TnzxlZranYKxjST&index=4


    LOUISVILLE, KENTUCKY — A woman being stalked through a mall was followed to her car and attacked by a man. Rather than give up, she fought back and managed to shoot him before escaping.

    On Jan. 26 in a Louisville mall, the woman was walking through the food court when she says got the feeling she was being followed. The woman walked to the mall elevator to lose her tracker and get to her car as fast as she could.

    Security camera footage released by police shows a man following her into the elevator. The woman told police he looked "out of it, possibly high or drunk." When she asked him what floor he was going to and he said sixth, she claims she started to get nervous. as that's where her car was parked.

    As she exited the elevator, the woman quickly made a dash to her vehicle, which was parked about ten spots away. The man quickly gave chase behind her. Though she managed to get to her car, the stalker caught up to her and grabbed her, throwing her into the vehicle and kneeing her in the torso to keep her down.

    The woman claims the man then put his hand over her mouth, pulled out a knife, and threatened her with it while demanding all her money. Fearing for her life, the woman somehow managed to rifle through her purse and pull out her handgun. She fired at her assailant, first striking him in the neck, and then shooting him in his rear-end.

    The attacker, John Ganobick, was later seen in the stairwell of the parking garage, bleeding from the neck. A witness contacted authorities and police located were able to locate him soon after. He has since been charged with attempted murder, kidnapping and criminal mischief, and is being held on a $20,000 cash bond.

    The woman suffered multiple injuries but is expected to make a full recovery.
     
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    From further investigation:

    When the woman exited the elevator, she began to run to her car, but Ganobick chased her, then attacked her in the front seat of her vehicle. She said the man pushed her from behind and put his hand over her mouth before revealing a knife and announcing a robbery.

    A violent struggle ensued and the woman said Ganobick pinned her down and pressed his knee against her torso. She told authorities she believed she was going to not just be robbed, but raped or killed as well, and continued to fight back against her attacker.

    At some point during the struggle, the car’s windshield was cracked, according to reports from a local ABC affiliate. Soon thereafter, the woman was able to retrieve a Beretta from her purse. She aimed the gun at her attacker and pulled the trigger, but nothing happened. She later told investigators that she continued to pull the trigger until she finally shot Ganobick in the neck.

    A witness called 911 and Ganobick, who was on probation at the time of the attack, was transported to a local hospital for treatment. He was later released into police custody and is now facing charges for attempted murder, robbery, kidnapping and criminal mischief. He is being held on a $20,000 cash bond.

    http://www.guns.com/2016/03/09/man-shot-in-the-throat-by-woman-he-intended-to-rob/

    ...we can see two important points:

    1st, a little gun that required multiple trigger pulls to shoot is a poor defense.

    2nd, allowing a violent psychopath to be out on probation or parole so they can harm others is always foolish.
     
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    1: A better gun, and more practice is prescribed, however, the little gun did the trick "in the end" (pun intended). ;)

    2: Somewhere is a government employee who absolutley knew this guy is a dangerous violent psychopath, and was powerless to oppose or prevent his re-release onto the peaceable public, simply because some arbitrary timer on his incarceration had expired. This is an abject failure of our criminal justice system, and is the primary reason that peaceable citizens like the lady in the story MUST keep and bear arms. Violent criminals should remain incarcerated until they can be verifiably rehabilitated and are no longer a threat to peaceable society.
     
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    I offer that in many places, people in the judicial system have all but given up on getting the kind of reform we need. They have pretty much decided that the armed Citizen is the best compromise we'll get between a total collapse of "justice", and any "cure" at all.
    This is very similar to the problem with murder statistics in our liberal urban wastelands. As long as it's thugs killing thugs, the powers that be hold on to a slanted belief that there's some "good" in it.
     
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    Thugs killing thugs is always a good thing.
     
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    You give me a funny idea. We could run with a campaign in thug neighborhoods of the thugs who need killin' the most. Make up posters of those who have ratted out other thugs, or intruded on the territories of the other thugs. Stick those posters on power poles, apartment walls, and any other convenient place. Promote thug on thug until we run out of thugs.
     
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    The Charter Arms Bulldog .44 Special revolver is still being made, 3 inch barrel, 5 shot, stainless steel, good medicine for bad rubbish, remember, more Doctors prescribe .44 Special for those pesky social evils, than any other pill on the market !
    Get some today !

    Bud's gun shop, Best price, free S&H to your FFL !
     
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    Another big thank you to the second. Lucky this woman lives in Kentucky and not some stupid liberal la la land.
     
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    Those may issue states make my blood boil.
     
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    I am very sorry to hear that the guy lived. Harmful bacteria should always be killed. Maybe there will be another chance for this guy to die. Maybe the next time the intended victim will have a gun that works.
     
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    IMHO, this guy, who has demonstrated his violent propensities against peaceable people, over and again, should NEVER regain his liberty in order to have that second chance at being shot. There should be NO OPTION for him to ever be free in peaceable society, ever again. He is the poster child for what is wrong w/r to violent crime, and the revolving-door criminal justice system in our country.
     
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    A small .44 Revolver is best.
     
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    I think a Ruger LCR .38 special would also be a reasonable option.
     
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    Well, I prefer a larger bullet, in my own personal experience shooting bad guys, .38 special takes too long for terminal effects to kick in,
    .44 special works much faster.
     
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    And the left started paying thugs a $1000 a month NOT to kill each other , another success story for the dem's . :roflol:
     
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    Many years ago I had a .44 Bulldog I carried for backpacking, for that reason. However, a medium frame .44 revolver is a bit larger and recoils a bit more than many women tolerate for concealed carry. Small Polymer frame autos and revolvers have grown in popularity, particularly for women because they are lighter, easier to conceal and more recoil manageable for many women. While some women choose to carry autos and learn to maintain (clean) them many don't, some have difficulty chambering rounds, and some just toss their guns, without holsters in their purses. That doesn't mean there aren't women that can do well with autos, but when helping a woman select a gun for carry, I often help them do an eval where they ultimately opt for a small, light revolver like the LCR, Charter Arms undercover lite, or some other small j frame .38 or, 9mm revolver. There are a lot of decent defense rounds out there. A revolver has a lot going for it, reliability, no brainier operation, less likely to not work if not optimally maintained, and easier than many autos to keep clean. Plus, a good hammerless revolver can be shot from inside a pocket of a coat or from inside a purse if nessessary.

    The lady mentioned in the OP clearly became uncomfortable and aware something wasn't right, the warning signs were there. My financée who teaches self defense classes for women teaches about situational awareness and in this situation would have suggested to a woman that she covertly prepare for the worst case and have had her hand on her gun in the purse or have covertly extracted it and held it obscured from the threat (better), prepare mentally, keep the threat in sight, and keep distance between her and the threat. She teaches how to maintain situational awareness, threat identification, covert tactical response preparation, and stages of managing a threat. If the threat was imagined, no harm, but she would have had options. In her case, she was lucky to get access to her gun, but in ambush attacks women sometimes lose contol over their purses and any weapon of self defense. There are better methods of carry, better options for a weapon, she had some warning, but didn't use her situational awareness of a possible threat to prepare a defense.
     
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    Main gripe I have is she had to rifle through her purse instead of carrying it on her body or a pirse specifically designed for carry conceal.
     
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    Yeah, a purse designed for concealed carry, something I have preached against all these years, and to make it worse:


    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ow-an-idaho-toddler-shot-his-mom-at-wal-mart/


    washingtonpost.com

    The inside story of how an Idaho toddler shot his mom at Wal-Mart

    By Terrence McCoy December 31, 2014


    [posttv url="http://www.washingtonpost.com/posttv/national/2-year-old-accidentally-kills-mom-in-wal-mart/2014/12/31/54ea8927-0649-48c2-9ee2-7ddadb5802c1_video.html" ]

    Veronica Rutledge and her husband loved everything about guns. They practiced at shooting ranges. They hunted. And both of them, relatives and friends say, had permits to carry concealed firearms. Veronica typically left her Blackfoot, Idaho, home with her gun nestled at her side. So on Christmas morning last week, her husband gave her a present he hoped would make her life more comfortable: a purse with a special pocket for a concealed weapon.

    The day after Christmas, she took her new gift with her on a trip with her husband and her 2-year-old son. They headed hundreds of miles north to the end of a country road where Terry Rutledge, her husband’s father, lived. The father-in-law learned of the new purse.

    “It was designed for that purpose — to carry a concealed firearm,” Rutledge told The Washington Post late Tuesday night. “And you had to unzip a compartment to find the handgun.

    On Tuesday morning, that was exactly what Veronica Rutledge’s son did — with the most tragic of outcomes. Veronica, 29, arrived at a nearby Wal-Mart in Hayden with her three nieces and son, her gun “zippered closed” inside her new purse, her father-in-law said. Then, in the back of the store, near the electronics section, the purse was left unattended for a moment.

    “An inquisitive 2-year-old boy reached into the purse, unzipped the compartment, found the gun and shot his mother in the head,” Rutledge said. “It’s a terrible, terrible incident.”



    This is one reason why purse carry is NOT so great, many other valid reasons too.
     
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    Naturally I advocate on body carry, but if dress or will prevent that (you can fix the former rather easily, the latter is a different matter) then a carry purse is better (however slightly) than rifling through you're purse in times of strees.
     
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    Purse carry is never a good thing.
    Holster carry on the body is preferable, however, don't let My vast experience prevent you from following your heart in these and other matters.
     
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    As I said, I advocate for body carry. I advocate it as much as you do. However as I said IF you are going to do a purse (which I wouldn't because I'm a guy anyway) its better to have the gun in a readily accessible compartment. Ill-advised as it may be its still better than rummaging through your purse trying to find it.

    "Just wait a sec mr. Bad guy... I need to find my gun...now where is it? That's not it. No that's not it either. I was wondering where my lipstick went but that's not it either. Oh here it is. Ok Mr. Bad guy I'm ready now!"
     
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    Just how many times have you defended yourself from criminal attack ? I have, many times.
     
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    I came close once but that's besides the point. I hate to say it but I think you're blowing my post out of proportion and context. In no way I advocate purse carry over body carry. Body carry is FAR more superior than purse or bag carry for multiple reasons. What I'm saying is its better to have a purse specifically designed for carrying than stick it in any old purse. It's like the saying that the best gun for self defense is the one you brought with you. Whether be a .22 or a s&w 500. In no way I advocate either for EDC or personal defense but its FAR better than going completely unarmed.
     
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    That is as bad as you being a marriage councillor with no experience as a married man.

    I can advise people in CCW, because I have extensive training, training credentials and much experience.
     
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    Exactly what is as bad as me being a marriage councilor? Do you think I'm advocating for bag/purse carry over body carry? As I said three times already that body carry is better. I was simply comparing a purse or bag specifically designed to hold a gun vs rummaging through your normal bag/purse trying to find it. Just to prove my point about advocating for body carry I'll rattle off reasons why even having your gun in a specialized bag/purse is not wise:

    1. It may not always be in reach when you need it.

    2. You can lose it

    3. It can be stolen therefore giving the criminal your weapon.

    Exactly what are we arguing about?
     

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