Woman in South Africa: "Rape is normal here"

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  1. kazenatsu

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    1 out of 10 black men in South Africa admitted to having raped a woman in an anonymous electronic survey.
    A 2010 study led by the government-funded Medical Research Foundation says that in Gauteng province, more than 37 percent of men said they had raped a woman.
    Nearly 7 percent of the 487 men surveyed said they had participated in a gang rape.
    More than 25% of South African men questioned in a survey admitted to raping someone; of those, nearly half said they had raped more than one person, according to a new study conducted by the Medical Research Council.
    One in three of the 4,000 women questioned by the Community of Information, Empowerment and Transparency said they had been raped in the past year.

    South African Woman: "Rape is Normal Here"

    A study on sexual violence in South Africa has found that many children think rape is normal and acceptable. A survey of 9,300 children under age 18 found that, depending on the part of the country, 12 to 20 percent of boys, and five to 13 percent of girls admit having forced themselves on others.

    One in Four South African Men Admit Rape - Survey, Reuters, June 25, 2000

    Rape of lesbians is also a common occurrence. They are raped with the excuse that it will "cure" them and make them start wanting to have sex with a man.
    Crisis in South Africa: The shocking practice of 'corrective rape' - aimed at 'curing' lesbians | The Independent | The Independent

    The actual rape rate may be higher than that. One mother of a 3-year-old who was raped by a man in his 40s struggled to report the case after police in two stations in Cape Town turned her away.
    The South African Parliament Calls on Police to Be Sensitive to Survivors of Rape (globalcitizen.org)
    Mom who tried to report toddler’s rape was turned away twice by police Published: Sep 17, 2019, News24.com

    The occurrence of rape is seen as relatively so normal that the usual prison sentence for rape is only 4 years, and it can be less than that depending on the circumstances.
    This makes South Africa the country in the world with the most lenient sentences for rape, with Sweden in second place for that distinction. (Although there are other parts of the world where men are often not punished at all because being found guilty of rape would mean the death penalty)

    One woman, fed up with the high rape rates in her country, came up with an invention so women could "bite" back.
    South African doctor invents female condoms with 'teeth' to fight rape - CNN.com
    Dr. Sonnet Ehlers invented a plastic insert, like a female condom, that women can place in their vagina in the event of high risk situations. If a man forces himself into her, his sexual organ will be caught in the device, held in place by teeth-like hooks, which will cause him immense pain and can only surgically be removed from his organ.
     
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    "If a man forces himself into her, his sexual organ will be caught in the device, held in place by teeth-like hooks, which will cause him immense pain and can only surgically be removed from his organ."

    well I guess thats something at least...

    IIRC this is not a new idea, and was a common tool in some cultures hundreds of years ago. I wanna say China?, but I could certainly be mistaken.
     
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    Ok, so first, what are the rape statistics for the USA? 1 in 5 women in the US have been raped or experienced attempted rape:
    (Sexual Assault Statistics | National Sexual Violence Resource Center (NSVRC)),
    Details:
    (The National Intimate Partner and Sexual Violence Survey: 2015 data brief – updated release | National Sexual Violence Resource Center (NSVRC))
    ... so it's not as rare as some might think.


    Second, this is men's culture in other parts of the world and you would do well to contemplate that the next time someone says that men are becoming weak and masculinity is under attack. Look at the alternative.

    Third, rape against women is especially brutal and painful, so no wonder a South African woman came up with a female condom with hooks. It would certainly send a loud and clear message to men, but I somehow doubt the woman who uses it would come out of the encounter unharmed.
     
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    That's often true in many parts of the world, but in Sub-Saharan Africa, women are pretty dominant.
    Yes, a "men's culture" might be part of the explanation for what is going on here, but women in South Africa are definitely not "submissive". I don't think the position of women in South Africa is that different from the United States, for example.
     
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    This is off topic from what I wanted this thread to be focusing on, but it could also create legal issues. The man might claim the sex was consensual and the woman cruelly used this on him, and then the woman might get in trouble too.
    Although it would be interesting for both the man and the woman in question to get in trouble, since logically it is impossible for them both to actually be guilty.
     
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    The South African law enforcement seems to easily dismiss rape and ignore it. That's why they needed to collect anonymous surveys to find out the real statistics.

    It's a cultural problem that they easily dismiss the need for consent. Obviously, from our point of view this is wrong, but from their point of view are we wrong? It's all in the eyes of the beholder. And, it seems that South African men rape their women so much that they (the men) don't even care.

    This leads to other unfortunate practices such as mothers flattening the breasts of their daughters to help prevent them from being raped.
     
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    I wonder if one of the issues is stronger and less easily controllable sex drive?
    Could that be (in part) responsible for the statistically higher rape rates?

    Maybe someone should bring up a study on testosterone levels, for starters.

    There seems to be less of a seriousness when it comes to rape, probably because of the attitude "There but for the grace of God go I". In other words there's probably a lot of men who feel like raping women but don't, therefore they feel more sympathy for those who mess up and do.
    That would be one probable theory.

    Compare that to East Asian society with high levels of mental discipline, therefore they don't have much sympathy for those who break the rules.

    Other parts of sub-saharan Africa might have lower rape rates because traditional community structures are in place. (People don't want to commit a crime when everyone in the village knows everyone else)
    South Africa, being put under the rule of European settlers, faced earlier development than other African countries, which may have been a little bit of a double-edged sword. Traditional community structures disappeared as large cities formed and individuals became more mobile in the modern job market. People were no longer tied to local land and tribal territory.
    In other parts of Africa the cities are where the elites and middle class live, but in South Africa there are a lot of poor who live in the cities.

    And then in Muslim parts of Africa, women cover their bodies and are kept more protected. So that would be expected to help reduce rape rates from what they might otherwise be.
     
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    I don't think it's testosterone level alone that causes an out-of-control sex drive.

    I don't know if this is true or not, but I've heard that the brain releases a chemical when a man feels a sexual attraction to someone. And, it's like cocaine, I presume, that it starts out very powerful, but as that person is exposed to more and more of that stimulus the effect it has on their body decreases.

    That's why men in the west are under control since they have been exposed to scantily-clad beauties all of their life since they were young.

    Meanwhile, men in the Middle East and Africa are entirely out of control, and they are the cause because they enforce strict dress codes for their women and don't get exposed to women, and don't get their sex drive under control.
     
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    Of course not, but it is a factor. Can be one major factor.

    Are you trying to make us think of Hunter Biden?

    Whereas if men in some parts of the middle east see even a tiny hint of flesh many times they can't control themselves?
    I'm assuming that's what your theory is based on?

    In fact we can easily do a side by side comparison of muslim parts of Africa to non-muslim subsaharan parts of Africa just a little bit further south.

    Well the problem there is that many women in Africa tend to expose a lot of their body and the men still have a very strong sex drive.
    That tells us that whether the women in that society are covered head to toe, or going around baring their breasts, there is still another outside component going on that affects the men.
     
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    rape happens everywhere, even preachers in the church, I have no idea how to address it other than lwop for a violent rape

    these devices might work for awhile, but rapist will figure a way to defeat them sadly I am sure
     
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    Just wait until they drop the flood gates and let these people in by the tens of millions. White liberal women are gonna get an eye-opener then. And ya know what? They voted for it.
     
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    So your solution is to add to the problem? Interesting strategy there Cotton. Let’s see how it plays out.
     
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    so your against lwop for violent rapists? can I ask why you think that adds to the problem?
     
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    Iwop? International Whores Of Pancakes?
     
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    I'm against very long prison sentences when the only evidence is the claims of the woman.
    I think we have to clarify some details here and not draw overly broad statements.
    By "violent rapists", can we presume you mean the woman suffered bodily injury that is so severe there is no possibility she inflicted it upon herself to frame the man?

    In muslim countries women have to be very careful and not go out alone where they will be in contact with men, because if a man does something bad to her the authorities are not just going to accept her word for it, without other additional witnesses.
     
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    I am saying she was violently forced to have sex

    I am not talking about two teens having consensual sex, to me consensual sex is not rape - it can be a crime, but it's not rape

    and yes, lwop should be only given to proven violent rapists
     
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    "proven" meaning beyond just being found "guilty", correct?

    (sorry to be a stickler for details, but these semantics are important)
     
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    Latest news story from South Africa:
    More than 80 men have been arrested after a brutal gang rape of 8 women

    The incident occurred at an abandoned mine in Krugersdorp where a video crew who were there to make a music video were attacked by a group of armed men. Women and girls in the Krugersdorp area had complained about the widespread crime and violence. The video crew of was composed of 22 people, 12 of them women. They were filming when they were attacked "by a group of armed men clad in blankets",
    "The suspects ordered everyone to lay down and proceeded to rape eight of the women and robbed everyone of their belongings before fleeing the scene," said the police commissioner for Gauteng province, Lt Gen Elias Mawela. Police were investigating 32 counts of rape, he added.

    The miners in that area eke out a living working in dangerous abandoned shafts, and apparently mainly come from other countries including Mozambique and Zimbabwe.

    Out of 80 of the miners who were arrested between Friday and Saturday, at least 20 of them were juveniles.
    The additional arrests carried out on Tuesday are not believed to be specifically connected to the gang rape incident, but were part of a crackdown in response to general allegations of criminality against the miners, and brought the total number of arrests up to over 120.

    South African police arrest more than 120 after gang-rape of eight women | Sexual violence | The Guardian, Lizzy Davies, August 2, 2022
     
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    One woman was filmed haranguing police minister Bheki Cele about the security situation in West Village, a part of Krugersdorp.
    "This is the norm, this is what we are experiencing every single day," she said. "Even during the day you cannot walk freely without having an escort. You can't go to the store and buy bread without having an escort."
     

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