women racked with guilt over their abortions

Discussion in 'Abortion' started by Anders Hoveland, Aug 24, 2012.

  1. Anders Hoveland

    Anders Hoveland Banned

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    Difficult feelings after an abortion:
    http://www.peaceafterabortion.com/feelings.html

    Abortion Causes Guilt and Shame Years Later, New Study Shows
    A Norwegian study, published in the journal BMC Medicine, has confirmed the fact that women who have abortions suffer from mental anxiety, guilt, shame, and distress years later. Those negative emotional feelings can last as long as five years after the abortion or even longer, the found. The study compared 40 Norwegian women who suffered a miscarriage and 80 women who had abortions. Researchers questioned them 10 days, 6 months, two years and give years after what happened. Women who had miscarriages felt more negative emotions shortly after the event compared to women who had abortions. But long-term, women who had abortions experienced significantly more distress and anguish. Women who had abortions were 10 times more likely to have negative long-term feelings about it compared with women who had miscarriages. The Oslo University researchers said women who have abortions should be given information telling them of the adverse emotional reaction they will likely have to it down the road.
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/4520576.stm

    It's not just women; Abortion can affect the father as well:
    http://www.theunchoice.com/Men/forgottenfathers.htm
     
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    what are you doing?
     
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    Shiva_TD Progressive Libertarian Past Donor

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    Absolutely. Counciling on all aspects related to having an abortion should be presented honestly and medically to the woman. The counciling doctor, nurse or medical professional should also inform them that 80% women that have an abortion have no regrets and would do it again under the same circumstances.

    I endorse private counciling of the woman about the possible positive aspects of having the child. The woman should be informed of all options.

    And then it's her decision and everyone else should butt out.
     
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    or can't bring themselves to admit having regrets. I honestly find it hard to believe 80% of women do not feel anything at all. Bear in mind that two thirds of fathers who accompany the woman to abortion clinics admitted to feeling at least a little guilty. Do men really have more empathetic feelings than women? No, of course not. If anything, women are the ones who are far more emotional. It is obvious here that a significant portion of the women are in denial, repressing their negetive feelings.

    And that is indeed what this study finds:
    http://www.rachelsvineyard.org/PDF/...Post Traumatic Stress Disorder - Theresa .pdf

    One older study, that surveyed 500 women, found that half had experienced negetive emotions after their abortions.
    Friedman, "The Decission Making Process and Therapeutic Outcome of Abortion", American Journal Psychiatry, vol 131, 1974

    An increasing number of counselors are reporting that unacknowledged abortion distress is the causative factor in many of their female patient's problems, even though their patients have come to them seeking therapy for seemingly unrelated problems.
    Heath, "Psychiatry and Abortion", Canadian Psychiatric Association Journal, vol 16
     
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    As they should be........ women who convince themselves that abortion is permissible, and MURDER is permissible, ought to GO TO HELL, and this may include suffering a debilitating depression for the rest of their lives. Women will face the JUDGMENT AND WRATH OF GOD as men do........ don't think you get off scott free just because you're a poor, defenseless, blameless woman.

    Do people actually think GOD'S JUDGMENT is anything but EQUAL at the Gates of Heaven??????

    No, if you commit SIN, then you will go to the Hell Fires. People ought to put more stock in REPENTANCE. SEEK CHRIST, SEEK FORGIVENESS AND SALVATION THROUGH HIM.
     
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    This attempts to misrepresent the facts. Much relates to when the abortion occurs.

    It is highly doubtful that a woman that uses Plan B, for example, has any regrets. Plan B is used within 72 hours of unprotected sex and the woman may or may not even be pregnant. It actually works to block the pregnancy and for those that say "birth begins at conception" they oppose Plan B and call it the "abortion" pill. As far as the woman is concerned she probably doesn't even consider herself as ever being pregnant and considers it a precautionary measure.

    For women that have an established pregnancy it also depends upon how quickly they have the abortion. The sooner the abortion the less emotional impact it would have logically. Ultimately the women may have "regrets" but they must decide whether they have more or less regrets based upon their decision. Do they regret having the abortion more than they would have regretting having the baby? They're faced with two bad choices in either having the baby or having an abortion and they have to decide which choice is best for them.

    I'm sure that the 80% that say they would have an abortion again in the same circumstances would all prefer to never have become pregnant it the first place so they didn't have to choose the lesser of two evils. I'm relatively certian they have regrets but the regrets relate to getting pregnant in the first place. They do believe they made the right choice in having the abortion which is why they say they would do it again.

    Once again they should be fully advised in advance related to both having the child or having an abortion. They need to know all of the facts and there should be no prejudice on the part of those that provide the counciling. A teenage girl needs to know the negative impacts of having a child will have on her future for example. Those facts should not be hidden from her. She needs to know about having the child and putting it up for adoption and the emotional problems she may have later because of giving up the child. None of this should be concealed from her. She needs to know and she has a right to know.

    In the end though the decision should be left to her. We shouldn't have laws that block her choice if she decides that an abortion is necessary for her future. It isn't an easy choice and none of us can make it for her. We must give her the respect she deserves to make her own decisions. When she makes her decision, regardless of what it is, we should be supportive of that decision. We are the last one's to second-guess her decision.

    We might wonder about the 20% of women that later regret having an abortion. How many of those came to regret their decision because others in society told her that what she did was wrong? How much emotional pain has been caused by the "anti-abortionists" that condemn women that have had abortions? They call them "murderers" and condemn them and this must take a toll on many women that have had an abortion in the past. How sad that is because the "anti-abortionists" often show that they don't care about the woman at all.
     
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    I would advise people that believe this to not have an abortion but then most people don't believe this nonsense.
     
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    Poeing.......
     
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    Abortion hurts women.
     
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    Abortion helps women. Abortion saves women's lives. Abortion gives women choices about their lives.
     
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    Abortion turns women into damaged goods. Abortion kills. Abortion can permanently mess up a woman's insides so that she can never have a baby again.

    And abortion exploits women. The dirty little secret is that often times the woman is not really the one choosing the abortion, she is being forced to do it by her parents, or pressured / blackmailed by her boyfriend. Abortion can offer a convenient escape for self-centered boyfriends who do not want to be on the hook for having to pay child support, whether it is actually what the woman wants or not.

    http://www.theunchoice.com/coerced.htm
     
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    Coercion is wrong for any reason. But banning abortion will not stop people from coercing women to do things they don't want to do. All it will do is force them underground to have illegal and unsafe abortions against their wills.

    The people doing the coercing need to be addressed and stopped from behaving this way towards others. People need to be taught early on that coercing others to do things they do not want to do is wrong.
     
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    That's mostly just a myth.
    http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/r...s-made-illegal-women-will-die-in-back-alleys/

    The number of abortions in the USA skyrocketed after the Roe versus Wade decision:
    http://www.grtl.org/docs/roevwade.pdf

    Where were all these "back alley" abortion clinics that pro-choicers tell us would exist if abortion was made illegal again?
     
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    Sorry but I don't trust Catholic news let alone Georgia Right To Life.

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    I do, however, trust the World Health Organization.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unsafe_abortion
     
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    What reason would a Catholic site have to lie about that? Their religion tells them that lying is wrong. If they didn't really believe that lying was wrong, why would they care so much about abortion? To want to ban abortion, you have to care about other human lives besides your own and doing the right thing. It seems to me completely illogical that anyone would lie to support a pro-life position.

    Pro-choicers, on the other hand, are a very different situation. It is all about selfishness. Pro-choice women want to know they could just get an abortion if they ever got pregnant, and pro-choice men want to know they could get out of paying child support if they got some girl pregnant and she chose to keep the baby.
     
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    LOL! Women described as "goods"...no misogyny there ...;)


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    Childbirth does those things too. And far more often.


    Far more women are coerced into giving birth. And taxpayers are forced to support CPC's which attempt to coerce women into giving birth. Why should taxpayers be forced to pay to coerce women into one decision?
     
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    For the same reasons they lied about child abuse by priests.

    Pro-life do lie about their position .. they claim that the tax payer pays for abortions, yet after 107 attempts in 40 years to prove this, everyone has failed.
    Even you own link lies, the majority of American people support abortion - the statistics have remained largely unchanged for a number of years with 2/3 of Americans supporting abortion in all cases or in some cases. The majority of people take the middle ground when it comes to abortion.

    Your own stance is illogical given your own position on "retarded" babies.
     
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    Wow, that comment was really rude and unfounded -- what gives you the right to attack an entire faith just because of the aberant actions of a handful of corrupt individuals? You can't just lump all Catholics in the world as liars and bad people. For every bad priest in the world, there are thousands more who are good and decent and who are honestly trying to help people. The church as a whole has accomplished a lot more good in the world than ills... Take a look at the countless humanitarian efforts and charitable works worldwide for evidence of that.

    Anyway, back to the topic of abortion, I think the point that Anders was trying to make was that many mothers later regret their decisions to have an abortion... Often minors or young women with insufficient life experience to understand fully what they are doing are the ones undergoing abortions.Once you choose to end a pregnancy, you can't undo your decision; you're stuck with that knowledge for the rest of your life. Even Norma McCorvey (aka. "Roe" from Roe vs. Wade) became a member of the pro-life movement in 1995; she testified in Congress that she is in support of making abortion illegal.
     
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    You know Shiva...you have no right to say what you just did. YOU HAVE NO WAY OF KNOWING WHAT PERCENTAGE OF WOMEN, HOW THEY FEEL ABOUT THE ABORTION THEY HAD. Statistics are not accurate. I had an abortion...and I talk about it. Not many women talk about it. So how would the pollsters find women who had them? I was never asked in the statistics you gave?

    You have no clue what you are talking about...none. Have you had an abortion to know? What is your experience?
     
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    We are not talking about sex and priests but abortion...quit running. You rabid pro-aborts always try to use lies to cover up your claims.

    Tax monies go to grants...and grant money goes towards abortions. You pro-aborts lie about what is reality. Lies...your so off the chart pro-abortion that it clouds thinking. Your position is illogical...its barbaric actually. The lies are all about your position. Roe was past on lies told by liberals that hold your position. They had to lie in order for Roe to be pasted. Give me a site that backs up your claim that the majority of Americans are pro-abortion. Hell I am the only women here who has even had one. Wouldnt you think that based on the stats...I would not be alone? LOL WOMEN DON'T WANT TO ADMIT IT THAT HAVE KILLED THIER CHILD.
    So prove to me that the majority of Americans are pro-abortion. The middle ground is not pro-abortion...its pro-killing. You are pro killing if you want abortion legal..that is your position.
     
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    Oh yes grannie it does so with pregnancy...so much that billions of women over the centuries have had babies. LMAO

    The ignorance......just goes on and on and on. Taxpayers forced...yea? Better it do to save than to destroy human life, like the pro-abortion position does.
     
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    Anders is right. You feel like goods. You stand in line....and you feel cheap and you hate yourself....you feel damaged and you are....that is abortion reality...and you pro-aborts don't get that. All you see is a table, an abortionist, a scalpel and a body bag...the pro-abort position-of glory. A sacrifice to the god of killing babies.....the aphrodisiac...the position.

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    No you trust only those sites that support killing babies...that are pro-abort, infanticide. And of course Guttmaucher which is biased.
     
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    Does anyone not advocate honest counciling of pregnant women related to childbirth, raising children, abortion, and other issues of pregnancy? Should we keep a woman in ignorance? I don't believe anyone facing life changing decisions should be denied any information when they are faced with a serious, often life-changing, decision. A person doesn't have to be a pregnant woman to understand that they need to be informed about everything possible related to their pregnancy and that includes abortion counciling if that is a decision they believe they need to make.

    Of course statistical analysis is not 100% accurate. It's only as accurate as the mathmatical laws of probability but the laws of probability have been long since proven to be accurate. The sample size determines how accurate the analysis is based upon the laws of probability. So yes, the studies have shown that about 80% of women that have had abortions believe they did the right thing and would do it again in the same situation. I'm sure that they regret ever having to have an abortion but that doesn't imply that they don't believe it was the right thing for them to do.

    That still leaves the roughly 20% that do regret having an abortion. Perhaps if the counciling for them would have been better then they would have chosen to not have an abortion. We don't know. We also don't know how many women didn't have an abortion and later came to regret not doing so.

    In the end whether a woman chooses to have an abortion or not is not my decision or anyone elses. That decision rests solely with the woman and I can only hope that she is very well informed before making that decision. I would like to see that 20% of those that have regrets disappear because they were properly counciled and reach the correct decision for themself.

    What I do have a right to say is that this decision belongs exclusively to the woman and not to any of us. It is her life, not ours, and she is the only person that can make this decision. I would even state uncategorically that the father doesn't even have a right to make this decision. Only the woman does.
     
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    NO, maybe YOU feel like goods. ....and YOU feel cheap and YOU hate yourself(obviously)...YOU feel damaged and YOU are..


    that doesn't mean ALL women are.


    YOU want men to describe you as damaged "goods" like you're something to be bought and sold and appraised by them...

    ..but intelligent women with backbone do NOT.You ALLOWED others to make you feel this way....


    YOU are free to feel anyway you CHOSE but that doesn't mean other women feel the same...
     

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