Women set sail to free gaza

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  1. Gilos

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    You say it as if its something sinister, it's how politics are made around the world y'know...., you get something and got to give something in return, now if SISI had to sell gas at lose price to Israel for that aid I would agree we are twisting Egypt arm but all they do is not start a war which they would'nt have regardless so again I dont find any justification in saying Israel controls Egypt gov.
     
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    No I actually fought my enemies in Lebanon and in the WB, what did you do for your country ?



    More demented crap , when you land please refer to the topic...
     
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    WHAT! NO 'JEW HATERS' DRIVEL?"

    In response to:




    Since the "enemies" of Israeli Zionists have repeatedly turned out to be innocent Palestinian civilian children and EVERYONE who does not embrace the Naziesque dogma of Zionism, you're not casting yourself in a particularly favorable light:


    - “ISRAELI SOLDIERS CLAIM PALESTINIAN CIVILIANS WERE TARGETED DURING GAZA WAR”
    http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/israeli-so...vilians-were-targeted-during-gaza-war-1499564


    - “Video Shows IDF Snipers Shooting Palestinian Children For Fun, But Facebook Won’t Let You Share It”
    http://www.addictinginfo.org/2014/0...n-for-fun-but-facebook-wont-let-you-share-it/


    - “Child-killing sociopaths of Israel”
    http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=932_1409986168


    - “Israeli Army T-Shirts Mock Dead Palestinian Babies, Bombed Mosques”
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/03/20/israeli-army-tshirts-mock_n_177574.html

    _ _ _ _ _

    In reference to:




    Just because you are unable to refute a word I've written doesn't mean its "demented crap" & I have been On-Topic in citing an additional source salient to this thread:


    “Why I am on the Women’s Boat to Gaza”
    by LisaGay Hamilton
    http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/09/21/why-i-am-on-the-womens-boat-to-gaza/

    EXCERPT " I’m here because I’m concerned about the effects of war and blockade on the women, as schools, hospitals, and homes have been periodically destroyed and sources of power and water compromised.

    I’m here because some 1.8 million Gazans are trapped in what is often described as a giant open-air prison.

    I’m here for the 299 women and 551 children who were killed in the 2014 assault, and for the over 40,000 pregnant women deprived of basic reproductive health services as a consequence of the blockade and the devastation caused by war.

    I’m here because the siege on Gaza, waged by both Egypt and Israel, violates the Geneva Conventions prohibition on collective punishment.

    I’m here because my president just increased U.S. military aid to Israel from $3.1 billion to $3.8 billion per year over the next ten years, with no limits and no mention of the situation in Gaza.

    I’m here because, despite some easing of the restrictions, the blockade is responsible for high unemployment, food insecurity, an infrastructure badly in need of repair, and an ongoing medical crisis."CONTINUED


    AND..... I'm here not because I "hate Jews", a Boilerplate Hasbara slur for all who specifically condemn Israel's Genocidal, Right Wing Land Thieves & murderous Zionist fanatics but because I'm sick of AIPAC, JINSA, ETC sucking American blood & Resources in criminal complicity with the most egregious, foreign funded Genocide in modern history.


    “The World Is Sick of Israel and Its Insanities”
    http://www.haaretz.com/opinion/.premium-1.601243


    AND


    “BBC Poll: Israel Among World's Least Popular Nations” http://www.haaretz.com/news/world/bbc-poll-israel-among-world-s-least-popular-nations-1.525890
    EXCERPT “The world's opinion of Israel has not improved in the last year: According to BBC World Service's annual poll, Israel is one of the least popular countries in the world; the only states less popular are North Korea, Pakistan and Iran.
    Only 21 percent of participants had a positive view on Israel, while 52 percent viewed the country unfavorably. Iran, in comparison, won the favorable opinion of 15 percent of those who answered the survey, while 59 percent viewed it unfavorably.”CONTINUED


    Howling "anti Semite" & whining about "jew haters" are just typical Hasbara ploys used to evade the REAL reason Israel is among the world's most despised terrorist States on the planet
     
  4. Gilos

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    Where did you read "anti-semite" in my post? I said demented crap and you prove it again, those women and you too that go there to protest whatever you like, it means nothing its like babies cry for more candies, like I said its a good watch to see how we take your boats, best if they can arrange it to Friday.
     
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    Re:
    I was commenting, favorably, on the fact that your Post DID NOT recite the "anti-Semite", "Jew Hater" epithet that seems indispensable for those attempting to defend the Ethnic Cleansing / Genocidal agenda of the current (and previous) Zionist Regime.

    Yes, condemning Israel's Government actions and the Right Wing extremists that drive US Funded Ethnic Cleansing, persecution, & Land Theft is NOT the same as "Jew Hating" or being an "anti Semite" as more & more American Jews are repulsed by the atrocities being committed by extremist Israeli Jews.

    I can't see how condemning individuals like Benzi Gopstein, head of Lehava [1] equates to "Jew Hating" / "anti Semitism."

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    No matter how gratifying it is to you, can't you see how an ugly confrontation provoked by the Israelis by Hi-jacking these humanitarian boats, kidnapping the crew & harmless passengers is a Phyrric victory since International publicity of Gaza's persecution is & Israeli brutality is precisely on of the missions of this Humanitarian Initiative.

    Yes, take the boats, beat the passengers & maybe even kill a couple of them and prove to the World, again, that Israel is run by cowardly Thugs & Genocidal miscreants that deserve stronger BDS movements









    [1] “Jewish Extremists' Leader: Christians Are 'Blood Sucking Vampires' Who Should Be Expelled From Israel”
    http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-1.693132
     
  6. Gilos

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    Where did you condem individuals ? every post you write you either condem Jews or Zionists, but if its fine with you ill keep a watch on it from now on, see if you truly condem individuals.

    I would rather watch something else but we can't have boats going in Gaza unchecked, they really do try to kill us - it's no joke, so each boat that tries to break the blockade will be checked even if they pave the decks with sick children to make it look harmless, the only way into Gaza goes throu Israel.
     
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    Personally, I think it's foolish but I nonetheless, wish them well.
     
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    Do you agree with the likes of Benzi Gopstein, head of Lehava?

    1. In reference to:
    Yes, I'll readily admit to condemning Genocidal Zionists, America's infestation of parasitic & War Mongering Ziono-Cons, deluded & exploitative Holocaustians etc but I defy you to find one single Post of mine in which I have condemned all Jews as a group simply because they are Jewish.

    There's a vast difference between condemning someone solely because he is a Jew, Muslim, Hindu etc

    AND

    ...condemning a criminal miscreant who happens to be a Jew, Muslim Hindu etc


    2. In reference to:

    Earlier, you said
    BUT

    Now you say:
    So, which is it

    I suppose when you're trying to exterminate an entire NATIVE community, it is a bit of an inconvenience when they can freely get medicine, food & yes, even arms to defend themselves from a Society, much of which supports Ethnic Cleansing

    “Nearly half of Israeli Jews believe in ethnic cleansing, survey finds”
    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...nians-wake-up-call-survey-finds-a6919271.html

    Israel's Blockade is exactly the same M.O. as other Genocidal Regimes: keep the Target Group, hungry, homeless, traumatized, demoralized & unarmed


    “Israeli Deputy Prime Minister: “We Must Blow Gaza Back to the Middle Ages Destroying All the Infrastructure Including Roads and Water”
    http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2012...infrastructure-including-roads-and-water.html


    “Israel’s blockade of Gaza chokes a possible state”
    http://www.thenational.ae/opinion/editorial/israels-blockade-of-gaza-chokes-a-possible-state

    EXCERPT “What could Gaza look like without the stranglehold of Israeli occupation?
    Without the occupation, the full potential of Gaza’s land could be developed – now nearly half of the agricultural land is off-limits.

    The most grotesque element of this situation is that it is deliberate. The Israelis have taken a clear decision to systematically dismantle anything that could be used to build a state, benefit the Palestinians or make them prosperous.
    Israel makes a big play of providing power to Gaza, even though the reason is that Israel’s military keeps bombing the power plants.

    Israel fears the Palestinian people; it fears that, left to their own creativity and industriousness, they could build an independent state, one not reliant, as Israel is, on billions a year in aid from the United States."CONTINUED



    The Palestinians are doing what any recently invaded & ruthlessly Occupied People would do and precisely what you & your family would if you were in their same position.

    There have recently been Threads discussing suffering endured by persecuted Jews in Europe in which pro Zionist Posters were vehemently supportive of Sadistic Mass Murderers like Soloman Morel etc alleging that he/ they were justified in killing innocent German men, women & children civilians out of perceived revenge.


    How do the Revenge Killings by Palestinians of their real Zionist Occupier / Persecutors / Killers differ from revenge killings committed by Jewish Death Camp War Criminals?


    "An Eye for an Eye: The Story of Jews Who Sought Revenge for the Holocaust"
    https://www.amazon.com/Eye-Story-Sought-Revenge-Holocaust/dp/0967569109
    EXCERPT "Finally, BasicBooks published An Eye for an Eye. It "sparked a furious controversy," said Newsweek. It became a best-seller in Europe but was so shunned in America that it also became, in the words of New York Magazine, "The Book They Dare Not Review."

    Since then, both 60 Minutes and The New York Times have corroborated what Sack wrote: that at the end of World War II, thousands of Jews sought revenge for the Holocaust. They set up 1,255 concentration camps for German civilians -- German men, women, children and babies. There they beat, whipped, tortured and murdered the Germans. "CONTINUED

    How quickly the Persecuted become the Persecutors
     
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    I think he belongs behind bars, its the first thread I saw you addressing him and even that just two posts ago, but like I said Ill keep an eye on you if you really refer to individuals (we both know you don't...)
    You do much more, you define Zionism and then condem it, it's not new the Arabs do that for a 100 years.
    I said we cannot allow boats in without checking them, I'd rather those women would have found another way to spend their time but if they want to bust an army blockade to agitate - I'd be watching that on T.V as Im sure you will, you hope for them to die or be hurt like ol' Sam was kind enough to admit, I just want to see their sorry asses dragged from their like little childern from a candy store, screaming and crying the whole way.

    I'm not your audience sweety, turn your propaganda somewhere else, here it's just ppl talking.
     
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    1. Re:
    You missed my point entirely when I said I try to be specific in what & whom I condemn.

    I was suggesting that it would be more constructive to avoid stereotyping & condemning masses of people like "the Muslims are..." or "The Jews are....." or "The Israelis are....."

    You can keep both eyes on me if you like.....
    ....but I'm certainly not going to restrict what I say to the dictates of Zionist "Israel Advocates"

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    Now, you disgust me with projecting you're own desires on to what you think I hope.........end of discussion.
     
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    Read post #4,

    Assuming you are reasonable enough to know 2 boats full of female activists will not break a military blockade - what pupose does it have besides provocation? and if provocation why not the kind that will show the world what those Israelis "really" are ? we have no intrest to harm them or any Palestinian for that matter , the right wingers want you all happy and calm till they are bold enough to annex parts of the WB.
     
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    BS, Israel should not supply power to Gaza at all, they want indipendance so they need their own supply, it will get bombed ? well now who would have thought an ant can't challange a bear ? get busy living or get busy dying man, dont cry "Allah hu Akbar" as you attack Israel and then b!tch about power shortage.
     

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