Women want right to go topless in public, take case to state's Supreme Court

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  1. danielpalos

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    i suppose; but women tend to be, wishy washy anyway; and, they are volunteering for this one.
     
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    Have I heard of employers being underpaid because of gender? ABSOLUTELY. Guess you’re not aware of all the class action suits, Walmart was one. They only promoted men.
    You are right I am jumping to conclusion about you....I do workshops in prejudice awareness and I have been doing that for years with both adults and teenagers and I guess I do generalize and 90% of the time I’m correct. As I said you learn about a person by the side of the argument he defends. I hope you’re in that 10% where I’m wrong which I tend to think I might be
     
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    What did your ,other and grandmothers do? It’s kind of hard not to give a woman a raise but the discrimination was blatant between a man and a woman. If you want to believe it wasn’t there is nothing I can do to convince you. When I got married and I was a teacher I couldn’t get a credit card in my own name without my husband signing. So I think I know a couple of things about gender discrimination
     
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    You go girls; insist on equal rights and Men should have to, put up with modern women being their modern selves in modern times.
     
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    No! Have you not heard of people being underpaid for OTHER reasons?

    I'm glad you can admit that you were wrong. I'm certainly in that 10%.
     
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    Equal rights would also mean circumcision for girls, if we were to be entirely consistent about it.

    Should we allow female circumcision?


    Now if you say there's no fundamental difference in anatomy, a breast is a breast, genitals are genitals, then you would have to admit that the part of a male that gets cut off during circumcision also has a corresponding female part, that is basically just the same.
     
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    Yes...because of race ..
     
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    Your argument was that before Ledbetter women did not get raises. Nothing here supports that argument, and I disproved it using the case itself.

    As for your credit card example, was your credit good enough to get one on your own? Was your husband able to get one of his own without you being part of the account. There are a lot of possibilities of why you couldn't get one without him that had nothing to do with your sex. I went to get a car loan, and I couldn't do it without my legal wife also signing.
     
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    We are moving to a point that we are thinking of making male circumcision for anyone other than an adult (short of valid medical reason) illegal. We should allow circumcision to be done on any adult that elects to have it.
     
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    Whoever said women never got raises?please stop creating a strawman.it was about equal work for equal pay.
    The reason I didn’t get a credit card in my own name was because I was a married woman. It’s kind of sad that you’re making up justifications for discrimination but I am used to that. You see I was a teacher and I had my own credit cards. .then I got married and my husband had to sign for it. I didn’t have to sign for his...that was the law and it changed when women fought that. The only possibility then was that I was a woman and nothing else but if it makes you feel better to justify it, so be it
     
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    I have yet to meet a circumcised male who wished he had his foreskin. Maybe he can get a foreskin transplant
     
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    Jeeez, Obviously you don’t know much about the male and female genitalia, the foreskin is not analogous to the clitoris. Female circumcision has one purpose and that is to deny women sexual pleasure. The foreskin removal doesn’t deny men sexual pleasure but serves for health reasons
    I really suggest you get some books on female sexuality....
     
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    You go, girls! Goad us into grabbing your ***** so you have an excuse to grab our guns!
     
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    You did, right here:
    Your words. Are you denying that you posted this point or that I have fully and completely proven this point wrong? Note that I am not making the claim that anything else you put out per se is right or wrong. You made this argument and I completely flat-lined it.


    Exactly what law compelled the company or bank that issued the card to require your husband to sign. Year this happened as well for reference, as of course laws have changed. Was your husband also getting a separate card at the same time? If not, was the policy of this specific institute that the spouse sign the account of the other? I have to ask these question or get these details, because you are rather short on them and could well be committing a correlation/causation fallacy. Unless you are saying that a low credit score shouldn't matter if you are a woman and they should give you the card regardless. Not saying that was the reason, but that certainly could be one legitimate reason. In other words, you have yet to show that they didn't have a legitimate reason that would have required a male to get another signature.
     
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    That is quite irrelevant. While I allowed for it, I have yet to hear of a medically necessary circumcision procedure. This should be an elective surgery that is only allowed on adult, and never imposed upon a child.
     
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    agree, let people decide for themselves when they are an adult
     
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    actually it does, it has many nerve endings that will be removed, this should be a decision for the child when they grow up

    plus the effects on the brain of a baby of committing such a violent act, does seem like a good thing to me to do to a child, what are the long term effects of such a action on the brain
     
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    You go and try change a long history of Orthodox Jewish tradition & law and let Me know how that works for you.

    For an Encore, take on the Lesbian and Gay community and dictate to them too.
     
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    The context was that men got raises for the same work....sorry I didn’t make that clear

    The law was that a married woman had to have her husband sign for her to get a credit card. It was discrimination and I do t get why you’re trying to make excuses for it. I had no trouble getting a credit card before I got married because I was a full-time teacher. When I got married I was shocked to learn that when I went for a credit card I couldn’t get one without my husband signature. I was the same woman with the same job. I had an excellent credit score .this didn’t change till 1974
    Here, let me educate you
    Women couldn’t get a Get a credit card: In the 1960s, a bank could refuse to issue a credit card to an unmarried woman; even if she was married, her husband was required to cosign. As recently as the 1970s, credit cards in many cases were issued with only a husband's signature. It was not until the Equal Credit Opportunity Act of 1974 that it became illegal to refuse a credit card to a woman based on her gender.
     
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    No the foreskin. Does not have nerve endings.
     
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    apples and oranges.
     
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    alright, let's go back a bit, because more relative information seems to be coming out. When was this that you were refused a card unless your husband signed? Additionally, from what you just wrote here, it seems more like, while it would be legal to do issue the woman a card without her husband's signature, there was nothing in the law to prevent an issuing institution from have a policy that required such. That is a far cry from the law required the husband to sign on it.
     
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    i agree to not complain if women insist on going topless in modern times.
     
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    Come on now Renee... nothing else?
     
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    yes, it does, many

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3225416/

    "In particular, an area called the “ridged band,” the wrinkly skin at the end of the foreskin, is loaded with nerve endings that are stimulated by motion during intercourse or masturbation. If a man is circumcised as an infant, says Denniston, he has been robbed of sensitivity without his consent."
     
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