Women's rights in Afghanistan have fallen off a cliff, everyone ignoring it

Correction. The pullout of American forces was a decision made by trump.
The manner of the pullout was on Biden, but the decision to pull out started with trump.

So, if you think this is a problem, what do you suggest as the solution? What should Biden do?

 

That's not entirely true, or is only half true.

It would be a little too complicated to explain or argue over the details in this thread.

Democrats didn't have any problem with Trump's strategy and didn't argue over it. There was near zero coverage in the media about it, at the time.

Trump still had some forces ready on standby, which could have assisted.

 

At least you acknowledge that trump instigated the pullout (the fact, if not the manner).

You cut from my post the question that you clearly don’t want to answer:
“So, if you think this is a problem, what do you suggest as the solution? What should Biden do?”

 

Stop projecting, I never said that.

For the last time, you wanted out, you got it, now don't complain about getting out. It was a bad idea.

Now anything else is your problem.

 

I remember 9/11 and why we were there, it was a NATO operation.

 

It’s almost as if the two decade long war in Afghanistan against the Taliban was a huge failure and a waste of money and lives…weird

 

Trying to blame this on the Democrats is incredibly stupid. This was ALWAYS going to be the outcome, no matter who was in charge. That's how the religious fundamentalists do things, and we gave them free reign to do it by withdrawing. The Taliban were never going to honor any agreement, no matter who they made it with, because the American public would never support coming back to Afghanistan if they didn't. They knew it. Everyone knew it. Except those who negotiated the withdrawal perhaps.

 

Unless you notice that almost the entirety of the Afghan government had fled themselves some days before. After over a decade of fighting the Afghans for a tiny modicum of justice in Afghanistan, the US turned the defense of Afghanistan over to the Afghans who promptly took the money and ran. As the Trumpers in this country illustrate so very well sometimes people don't WANT to be free.

 

Crickets.

 

To be fair, you literally linked a long transcript of a radio interview about a documentary on the topic. I'm not sure how common that kind of coverage is elsewhere in US news but here in the UK I've see similar long-form journalism on the same topic too. It won't appear in the mainstream headlines because they're focused on breaking news and (sadly) nothing is really changing on this issue in Afghanistan. I think the last major event was the last minute reversal of allowing girls to go to school.

I'm certainly no fan of mainstream/tabloid news media, US or UK, but they ultimately publish what sells and the root of the word "news" is "new". The focus constantly shifts and there will be thousands of ongoing issues or situations around the world that either loose or never get attention. There are still Uyghur in Chinese camps, still nuclear weapon development by North Korea, still lots of immigrants crossing the US-Mexican border and the Mediterranean, still piracy in the Gulf of Aden. They were all the basis of big headline stories at some point but are hardly mentioned now. Even the Ukraine conflict has slipped from the front pages to an extent, certainly from the literally constant coverage it initially received, plus there was ongoing conflict in Ukraine since 2014 but that had all but been forgotten by the media.

I don't think we can blame the media for not covering everything when most people get all of their "news" from extremely limited sources and have no desire (or sometimes, ability) to take any steps to actively seek anything out or learn more. As long as that is what people are "buying" (if only indirectly), that's what the media will keep selling.

 

There were Afghan soldiers on patrol at Bagram when we fled and they were left hanging by Joe Biden.

Pretending this did not happen is simply a mindless defense of Biden.
https://thehill.com/policy/internat...s-left-bagram-airfield-at-night-didnt-inform/

 

Was it someone else who said "Blame yourselves, you wanted out, you got it. !!!" blaming Republicans for the cowardly, inept, amd dishonorable Biden exit from Afghanistan?

 

Are you deliberately being obtuse? The issue is not ending the war as I have already said. The issue is how Biden conducted the withdrawal, fleeing Bagram in the middle of the night and then having to conduct a withdrawal/evacuation from an insecure airfield and getting Marines killed. His withdrawal was cowardly and dishonorable from a military perspective and a disaster from a political perspective. Even CNN called it a stain on Biden's legacy. Yet you defend it? Next you will be defending the massive amount of military equipment Biden turned over to the Taliban.

 

A deflection and a strawman fallacy. Would you care to comment on Biden's "leadership" of the evacuation and withdrawal?

 

Well, all of that and more was going on in Afghanistan during the Clinton years prior to 9/11 and our involvement in Afghanistan, and I don't remember women's rights groups and a lot of other people paying a lot of attention to that and the overall deplorable state of human rights in the Islamic Emirate, either. For example, how many people here have even heard of the Hazara, much less what the Taliban did to them at places like Yakaolang?

Yak-o-what???

Furthermore, if you criticized the treatment of women in Afghanistan and made the mistake of criticizing what was behind it - religion, culture, tradition, etc. - you probably would have been slandered as a bigot and an Islamophobe by the usual suspects.

 

Yes blame yourselves for wanting to get out of Afghanistan and then complain about the conditioni there.

If one wanted out of Afghanistan, fine, I disagree, but to then complain about leaving is the epitome of BS. !!

 

The absurity of saying leaving means a cowardly, dishonorable, and incompetent evacuation of Bagram in the middle of the night is beyond words.

 

Turning the defense over? Is that what you call fleeing Bagram in the middle of the night with no notice given to Afghan soldier who were outside the wire conducting patrols? What do you call leaving Billions in weapons to the Taliban? What do you call Marines getting killed being forced to conduct an evacuation from the Kabul airport rather than Bagram?

 

I honestly don't care about the well being of the people in Afghanistan. They've had 20 years to fix their ideology and kick the extremists out. They didn't. Going even farther, they joined them at the drop of a hat. Any empathy that I ever had disappeard last year. We led the horse to water and the horse kicked us. F'em

 

You got what you wanted !!!!

 

We gave notice of our evacuation literally MONTHS in advance. Anybody who was "caught" there WANTED to be.

 

I guess those Marines Biden got killed wanted to get blown up when Biden fled Bagram (a secure airport) and conducted an evacuation from the Kabul airport.

And then to add insult to injury for their families.

 

Biden may have abandoned the women over there, but, he's is paying the Taliban males, and handsomely.

BIDEN ADMINISTRATION HAS BEEN PAYING $300,000 PER FLIGHT TO TALIBAN TO ALLOW U.S. CITIZENS AND AFGHAN ALLIES TO CONTINUE EVACUATING:

'NATO allies vehemently opposed Biden’s unconditional withdrawal to such a degree that Secretary Blinken had phoned his boss from a NATO summit to tell him he had gotten a “jolt” in “in quadraphonic sound” opposing the move. His own military advisers had told him not to do it.'

'Nothing Biden and his people said about their botched evacuation from Afghanistan was true.'

'After withdrawing forces while leaving thousands of Americans behind on the ground, Biden reluctantly approved a limited evacuation whose military personnel were cut off from the start. Mobs overran the airport, with mostly young men filling up planes which took off. The State Department failed to plan for an evacuation or vet evacuees leading to dozens of Afghans with terror ties coming to America and massive backups of Afghan evacuees abroad.'

'After its Saigon moment, the Biden administration has been paying “approximately $300,000 per flight to a Taliban controlled airline in order to allow U.S. citizens and Afghan allies to continue evacuating.” Air Taliban is being funded by the United States with State Department officials confirming “that the cash-strapped Taliban are profiting from these payments.“'

'The Taliban had every incentive to sabotage our evacuation to profit from Air Taliban.'

'As an Obama-era retread, Biden sure loves' giving pallets full of cash to Islamic terrorists.

 

Wasn't the right time to leave. Afghanistan wasn't ready for democracy yet. Maybe they will never be?

 

It's not logically consistent to equate a government's influence on another country and compare it to its Legal Authority in it's own country.
The outside government has no Legal Authority.

Going to rate your assertion as another fail on your part.