World Bank, officially - Russia is the fifth economy in the world to overtake Germany.

In January 2023, the median salary was 43,500 rubles or $630 per month. They are dirt poor and only getting poorer with inflation soaring and the Russian economy sputtering out.

 

My statistical evidence of USA verse Russia GDP, median income, and PPP wasn't enough?

Because it doesn't align with the agenda.

See, Destroyer of Illusions just outright denied the stats as false, and then you come on and say I haven't provided any evidence.

Name an economic state (not anecdotal nonsense) that you want to compare.

 

RuZZia is a developing country and a rogue state too.
But it won't develop much far. Because of the war, Ruzzia will self-destruct.

 

Your claim was false and I explained why that was .. going on about stats you provide does not address your error - nor does DOI denying some stats .. not up to him to prove your claim true.

 

Lol.

Just saying PPP is not factual does not make it false.

Americans have about 3 times the purchasing power of Russians.

Those are facts.

 

Who said PPP was false ? Not me .. so why are you pretending otherwise .. building a fat strawman .. so you have something to wrestle with.

.. what is false is your claim that purchasing power of USD in US is equivalent to a USD in Russia.

 

Oh, FFS.

Let's recap:

CLEARLY no where near the US on the metric your stated you prefer.

What in the actual f are you talking about? I provided the actual values of PPP that you "prefer"

WHAT?!

Are you debating my claim that Russia's economic growth is because of illegal annexation and elections in Ukraine?

If so, how about you not engage a conversation about PPP and GDP to attempt to argue this point.

Yes. Obviously Russia has just annexed all of the GDP and economic value of a portion of a country they illegally invaded. Of course that makes their numbers look good.

So answer me this. Was Russias motivation to invade and illegally annex the Donbas region through a shame election ONLY done to shore up a failing economy?

 

LOL @ the desperate Russians.

If the US invaded and took over a province of Canada and then held a sham election to annex it and count their GDP in our own... of course the GDP would increase.

This isn't complicated.

 

NO .. I am debating your comments to DOI about cost of living .. and relative purchasing power .. as stated in previous post .

You posted stats 42K - 14K roughly 3 -1 ratio .. claimed USA was better on this basis by 3-1 .. as if was equivalent. .. which is simply not the case. as told you .. educated you already ..pack of cigarrettes for a dollar ... bottle of vodka for not much more .. US -Dollar goes much further in Russia .. than in the USA .. OK

and obviously Russia is going to benefit from anexing territory producing 90% of Ukraines GNP. .. a very good move on the board for Vlad .. ! .. perhaps even !! .. and do learn some chess notation for better positional analysis

 

This disconnected is carried out by the Media because they DO NOT SHOW the tens of thousands funerals and the dead soldiers.
The horor of the war is hidden from Paruske citizens.

 

I sourced the numbers and data provided by the World Bank, which, btw, the OP also used as a source but interpreted incorrectly; already explained in post #2. The numbers I posted have zero to do with "falsehood". You should talk to the World Bank if you don't like them; attacking the messenger is meaningless. Whether you prefer PPP or GDP is up to you. Russia is not the 5th biggest economy in the world as falsely claimed in the OP.

 

I did not attack the messenger .. Pointing out your error .. is not attacking the messenger.. your usage of GDP was not supported. Further .. your claim that Russia is not the 5th biggest economy by purchasing power also appears to be false .. as when I google "largest economies by purchasing Power" Russia comes up with number 5.

 

I agree that nations - including Russia - are Hidding the horror of this war . This has little to do with the current standard of living and economic prosperity in these nations however .. and so we have a non sequitur fallacy. It does not follow that hiding the horror of war has done anything to current standard of living and economic conditions in Russia.

 

Of course there are such people in the USA, Russia and any other country in the world.

 

Some pro Russian Paruske here will not agree with you.
They live in illusions

 

You did attack the messenger and there was no error in my comment. I posted the numbers and data provided by the World Bank, talk to them if you think there's an error. Besides, I did not claim that Russia is not the 5th biggest economy in the world by purchasing power. I didn't mention this at all. You are a very dishonest person. Ignore it is.

 

Stating the obvious -- kind of a silliness given same is true with the anti Russian Crowd .. especially US-Woke Posters and to a much larger degree .. full to the brim of "Necessary Illusions" .. also the title of a book to add to the reading list to suppliment the vast dearth of knowledge on the subject of "living in illusions"

 

I didn't attack you personally ... Pointing out your errors is not a personal attack .. pointing out the fact that you fail to understand that error is not a personal attack either.... and indeed you were going on about Rissia not being 5th in terms of economic strength ... citing GDP and so on.. then when I questioned your measuring stick .. you still cried foul .. even though I brought up purchasing power directly in previous posts.. Now you are trying to claim you did not do this .. when you did .. going on in the last post about both GDP and PPP -- Russia not being 5th .. ignoring the fact that by Purchasing Power they are 5th .. which what the OP States "5th economy in the world" .. and thanks for the Ignore as there is no point

 

Me neither .. nor take anything the Big Brother Biden Bots say seriously - those are brainwashed even worse than the Russian bots !?

 

The Russian currency continues to fall: the euro and the dollar were traded today on the Moscow stock exchange, with the value of one euro equal to 107 rubles and one dollar to 97 rubles.
Analysts affiliated with the government in Russia admit that the Western sanctions are the reason for the sharp drop in export profits, and for the damage to the value of the currency

 

Purchasing Power PARITY.

That literally means that the values have been equalized based on currency values.

The cost of goods may be less, but that's all in proportion to how much people make.

You're arguing that a pack of cigarettes is $1.00 in Russia compared to $9.00 here. That's only half the metric.

The other is how much people EARN to spend on the goods, and the part your ignoring.

PPP is the calculation that determines the PURCHASING POWER people have. And the US citizens have 3 times more power than Russians.

The cost of the goods alone don't really matter.

And you tell me to educate myself?

 

"And you tell me to educate myself" - If you like it would be nice --- I didn't say the cost of goods alone is what matters - so why are you pretending I did .. building a strawman

"thats only half the metric" -- yup and I gave you the other half .. so why are you pretending you were not - is that what Educated folks do .. when in doubt .. make a false inference ?

If you don't understand what is being said to you.. ask rather than building strawmen -- pretending someone said things they did not -- and yes ..in this you should educate yourself .. go learn what strawman fallacy is ..so you can stop this bad habit.

 

Difference is in America, we can view news from all sources and obtain differing opinions. In Russia, there is only one opinion Russians are allowed to learn and that is the Kremlins, lies or not. In America, anyone can learn the truth and bypass the lies while in Russia, one is jailed for attempting to learn the truth.

 

You simply saying "you don't understand" to avoid actually backing up your claim that my data is wrong is simply weak.

US citizens have 3 times the purchasing power of Russians.

Disagree? Prove it. already provided by sources.

 

https://www.yahoo.com/news/unsettled-moscow-residents-tighten-belts-143151524.html

Russians themselves say inflation is out of control, that the Ruble is at its lowest level ever against most major currencies, and that the economy is in free fall.