World Implications if NASA Finally Admits to Life on Mars

I know it's close to earth's mass, though a tad lower. Again, this makes me wonder about why it still has all that soupy atmosphere around it while Mars has lost so much.. I've heard from various sources that it's supposedly earth's magnetic field that keeps the atmosphere from being stripped away by the solar wind as it apparently was on Mars, yet there's Venus nearer to the sun (so it gets even more impact from the solar wind than earth or Mars does) and also lacking a magnetic field, yet so different from Mars.

I know this is a different question from the one originally being discussed, but it really gnaws at me. It would seem that gravity makes the primary difference, and not so much the magnetic field.

 

It has a very slow rotation and so a more homogenous temperature across the planet, but possibly tidal pulls from the sun keeps mixing it up and keeping it volcanic and with heavy atmosphere.

 

Well my understanding is because there is no plate movement volcanoes dont move away from the plume or crustal weakness allowing magma to move upwards. So basically the volcano accumulates weight and volume until the underlying crust simply collapses down on itself. Now in terms of the atmosphere, there is accumulating evidence that volcanism is still occurring on a regular basis on the planet, and some estimates suggest there could be evidence of upwards of 100,000 volcanoes.

So even if Venus is shedding atmosphere similar to Mars, the planet's ability to continue to out gas is overcoming that

 

Ah.. OK.

It would be awesome if we could get a rover to survive on Venus, wouldn't it? Photos and even video of Venusian weather and volcanism would be pretty freaking cool.

 

Heck, that's nothing. I've seen poop goblins on YouTube...

[video=youtube;CiPYUIV2azQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CiPYUIV2azQ[/video]

 

It is indeed a ferocious place, no doubt about that. I think we are generations away from building anything capable of lasting more than 30 minutes on the surface

 

Might be a fun thought exercise to come up with something that could. I imagine the heat is the biggest threat; we can already build things to withstand high pressures. There's also the tricky issue of having something transparent through which photos and video might be taken without compromising the structure and whatever cooling system is used.

 

http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/photo_gallery/photogallery-venus.html

Soviet Venera Spacecraft - didn't last long but they did their job!!

 

Not sure how practical this is, but looks like NASA has been putting their hard hats on again

[video=youtube;d2RFscAwUEo]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2RFscAwUEo[/video]

 

Yep. Like they do in many Apollo photos. Even small pieces of rocks cast some very long, very dark shadows in those photos. It all depends on the angle of the sun.

Do we want to ask Don Townsend his opinion of the moon landings?

 

He's right you know. Venus is the most volcanically active of any planet in the solar system. We've detected volcanic features on Venus unlike anything anywhere else man's ever seen.

The biggest problem is going to be an atmospheric pressure at the surface that is about the same as the water pressure 1000 ft down. I'd say it is more likely that the crust on Venus is simply much thinner than that of earth. Because of that you have far smaller subduction zones. And in fact probably no subduction zones since the crust is so much thinner the when two tectonic platres meet they simply break there by producing even more volcanic outflow. If this is the case then Venus' crust probably completely turns over with some frequency.

 

Believe it or not I only started looking at the moon conspiracy stuff a few years ago, I watched it in my college dorm, yes I went to summer school . I have never been prone to conspiracy theories . I am a scientist at heart and I study something to the point of exhaustion before I make up my mind about anything. I watched anything I could get my hands on concerning the moon landings. This was before the latest Lunar orbiter was launched. I had come to the conclusion that those who proclaimed we never went to the moon Had hundreds of good points such as proof of duplicate lighting systems, movements not indicative of being in 1/6 earth gravity ,strange astronaut interviews that seemed evasive and lacking any real detail , they were completely ignorant when asked about the existence and effects of the Van Allen Radiation belt and very evasive about not seeing stars on the moon. When the Eagle landed , it had a 10 thousand pound thrust engine that left absolutely no crater or any visible indication anything had landed there even the foot pads on the lander were pristine not 1 speck of dust. The jump salute to the flag was about 18", he should have went 4- 6ft. The total weight of the man and suit in 1/6 gravity would have been about 68lb. On one of the missions the flag absolutely moves without any contact from an astronaut. there are many photos that deny all explanation by experts concerning areas that should have been in shadow but were fully lighted. If we did actually go to the moon, an answer for some of these inconsistencies were that some of the footage and photos were taken on a mock up stage, they did exist you know. When Nixon asked the NASA officials if we were ready to go, they told him yes, but they weren't sure they could transmit live coverage of the landing, Nixon said that was unacceptable. So we might have been afraid we couldn't get good pictures of the event, so we fudged a little. So if there is a cover up , It's that we faked some of the photos.When the latest LRO images got pictures of the landing sites ,I had to concede well I guess that's positive proof , but now those images have come under attack and there's speculation and some proof they were photo shopped. So right now I'm on the fence, but I haven't come to this ambiguity lightly. I have put the same effort into the images from the Curiosity Rover and if you had seen everything I have It's beyond my comprehension how you could deny the existence of the evidence of proof of life on Mars. Even President Obama has been very evasive on this question and refuses to answer it in any definitive way. People keep asking me for the links and video proof to back up my claims . First ,I am a hunt and peck typist it took me about 25 mins. to type this. I've watched 100's of hours of Curiosity footage and would take me forever to back up everything I claim. I know it's true . If anyone else doesn't believe it ,do your own research. The material is there.

 

You don't strike me as being anything resembling a scientist. Not when you fail to comprehend just how ridiculous the hoax claims and the so-called evidence for them are.

One example you mentioned was "proof of duplicate lighting systems." First, proof is not the right word if you're trying to think scientifically. What you want is evidence. Second, there is no evidence for more than one light source in any Apollo photograph, though with this one caveat: the moon itself reflects enough sunlight, in particular in the direction of the sun, that it can actually light up an otherwise shadowed area pretty well. That is how you get the shadowed side of the LM looking fairly well-lit. I'm sure you've seen a hoax claimer point out the halo effect apparent around astronauts' shadows downsun as well? That's one characteristic of the moon's regolith, and the effect is basically the same as the phenomenon known as Heiligenschein. It's apparent in dewy grass as well as in lunar regolith - in the former case it's water droplets causing it, and in the latter a kind of glass.

If you want to be scientific, quit listening to morons on the internet and at the very least start listening to what people with university educations have to say about these things. And yes, the material is there. Reems and reems of it, in fact. I recommend NASA's Apollo Lunar Surface Journal site for all things Apollo, including every surviving photo (I think) from the missions offered in very high resolution.

But even if you just want to stick to the all-knowing YouTube, there are good kook debunking videos available there... I've seen every point you've brought up (besides the kook attacks on the LRO images, at least - color me shocked..) addressed there and elsewhere online, e.g. at the Clavius Moon Base site.

Happy researching..

 

http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/08/29/life-may-have-developed-on-mars-not-earth-scientist-says/

Here's some food for thought to chew on on the possibility.

 

I am a retired chemist . You name the instrument , I can run it. If that qualifies as a scientist ,I'll let you answer that. So you think every inconsistency has a logical answer. Well I'm glad your here. Explain the lack of evidence for a 10,000 lb. thrust engine not stirring up 1 speck of dust. Did the astronauts get out the windex and paper towels and polish those footpads.

 

Be careful don't contradict the trolls on here, that are trying to keep a lid on the truth, with any evidence they'll call you a conspiracy theorist,

 

From Scientific American

Why People Believe in Conspiracies

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=why-people-believe-in-conspiracies

Why hasnt Russia who was in the space race with us come against the validity of the landing as they could track us like we track them?

Hasnt laser bounce technology rediscovered the landing site?

But, I'm sure the 'conspiracists' have an answer for every question or statement that conflicts with their 'folly'.......

 

There were thousands of people working on the Manhattan Project that was responsible for our first atomic weapons and not even Harry Truman Vice President at the time was aware of it until he became president. So don't tell me secrets can't be kept where there are thousands of people involved and the Government would never stag an event to further an hidden agenda would they ,REMEMBER THE GULF OF TONKIN and there are many more ! Also it has been revealed just recently the Russians were feverishly working on a manned mission to the moon at the same time we were and it's been kept secret for 44 years UM. What's that you say secrets can't be kept by large numbers of people.

 

NASA is all about making news to get funding.

Why on Mars would they keep such a secret when it would result in Billions of new NASA budgets?

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I spent 7 yrs working as a subcontractor for NASA (aka, "Them!")....so I must be part of the cover up, huh?!

 

Proposed Studies on the Implications of Peaceful Space Activities for Human Affairs, often referred to as "the Brookings Report," was a 1960 report commissioned by NASA and created by the Brookings Institution in collaboration with NASA's Committee on Long-Range Studies. It was submitted to the House Committee on Science and Astronautics of the United States House of Representatives in the 87th United States Congress on April 18, 1961.[1] It was entered into the Congressional Record and can be found in any library possessing the Congressional Record for that year.
The report has become noted for one short section titled, "The implications of a discovery of extraterrestrial life," which examines the potential implications of such a discovery on public attitudes and values. The section briefly considers possible public reactions to some possible scenarios for the discovery of extraterrestrial life, stressing a need for further research in this area. It recommends continuing studies to determine the likely social impact of such a discovery and its effects on public attitudes, including study of the question of how leadership should handle information about such a discovery and under what circumstances leaders might or might not find it advisable to withhold such information from the public.
While not specifically recommending a cover-up of evidence of extraterrestrial life, Proposed Studies on the Implications of Peaceful Space Activities for Human Affairs does suggest that contact with intelligent extraterrestrial life (or strong evidence of its reality) could have a disruptive effect on human societies. Moreover, it does mention the possibility that leadership might wish to withhold evidence of extraterrestrial life from the public under some conditions.[4]

 

Recent Polls About UFOs & Aliens – Growing Trends of Beliefs
http://www.alienresistance.org/ufo-alien-deception/recent-polls-trends-belief-aliens-ufos/

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So there shudnt be a 'world-wide panic!" if they (the entire world of nations) 'fessed up, huh?

 

World Wide Panic!!!!!!!!!

Twilight Zone: To Serve Man

Everybody knows the ending....

 

From you maybe but not from anyone else. The Russians had penetrated the American Manhattan Project quite thoroughly by the time the Bomb was dropped. And we knew full well that russia was working on a manned Mission to the moon fairly early on. That as much as anything else was why we went. The Gulf of Tonkin fraud was spotted within a year. The shelf life of almost any clandestine operation is measured in months...

 

There is no 'evidence', except in your obviously fertile imagination.