Now personally, I don't care whether Obama's birth certificate is real or not. Which is why I voted NO. But, what I think isn't important to the law so let's review the Constitution. You see the Congress is exempt from most crimes because, I guess, the founding fathers thought civil service was such a noble occupation that they wanted to reward citizens who exercise their civil duty to serve their country. But, based on comments by the courts the term "Congress" in the Constitution can also apply to the whole government. Felony is one of the crimes that Congress, and thus the President (maybe?), can be held accountable for it. Hmm, is forging a fake document to show the people, but not presented in a court of law, a felony? Now, I'm not going to sift though a couple hundred years worth of legislation by the courts to find out what they have turned the Constitutional definitions into now, but I remember that somehow a legal decision was made to allow Arnold Schwarzenegger, who isn't a natural born USA citizen, to run for office in California. I don't know the details, but it seems to me that such a legal decision could be enough to reinterpret the Constitutional requirements to run for President of the USA. Time to argue grammar: there are commas around the line "Citizen of the United States," and you can read them there. So there is a chain of identification separate from the surrounding sentence. From what I've heard some of the early Presidents of the USA weren't even USA citizens born here but Europeans. And, the last line: 14 years a Resident seem to dismiss the idea that natural born citizens are the only ones who can become President of the USA.
Yes, let's do that: Fraud is a felony. If someone who wasn't eligible to be POTUS commited fraud to be elected, he is a criminal who should be arrested and tried. , Except for treason, felony, and breach of the peace... If he committed fraud to be elected, yes. The natural-born citizen clause refers to the POTUS, not other elected representatives. Name one. If that sentence was supposed to be logical, it failed.
it's true, obama is the first president not to be a u.s. citizen, or born in this country. unless arthur was born in canada. he burned and covered his records too, so we may never know.
It's obvious to some of us that the BCs he has shown are phony! The fact that the SC won't touch it makes it even more true.
the forgery of government records is an impeachable offense, a felony. why is it impeachable? they're HIS records, he should know if they're genuine or not.
real or not he owns it (the situation). i'm just wondering why he just doesn't end it once and for all. i've got better things to do, so do the obots, though i'm not just sure what...
Lady Luna, I'm not sure what the details were, since I'm not a Californian and it was years ago, but I think a special case had to be made in court to allow Arnold Schwarzenegger to win the Califonia election because Arnold wasn't a US-born citizen. If Arnold could do it why not Obama? Obviously the Constitution can be interpreted by the courts whatever way they want. As for Presidential citizenship, I'm just going by what I've read, the early Presidents of the USA weren't natural born citizens:1
It is a forgery. If Obama was a white republican he would already be impeached or arrested for lying about it. Judges are scared to allow discovery. If one judge allowed discovery in any of the cases Obamessiah would not be president.
the Constitution covers FEDERAL government, NOT state governments. So who is governor of a state has no bearing on this issue.
Ah Wash....trying to sneak in a Birther thread outside the Conspiracy theory area eh? For Birthers its clear- it doesn't matter whether the BC is a forgery or not- Birthers are all convinced that President Obama couldn't possibly be our legal President, you are just all just convinced there must be some reason he can't be. If the FBI came out tomorrow and announced that the Birth Certificate was real, Birthers would just switch to another cockeyed theory. After all- you don't believe the State of Hawaii, why would you believe any other authority? Just more Birther idiocy.
Oh please. not this again....how many times does it have to be verified till you right wingers are satisfied? It's been truly laughable ever since he was elected...get over it already!!!
An obvious forgery is only valid to the mentally challenged, those who don't want to initiate chaos, and biased nincompoops!
i'd like it authenticated by a document expert, because of all of the controversy and questions about his past.
If the Obama Administration forged it, impeachment is in order. If the Hawaii State department made a new one, then that's a Hawaiian issue.
The State of Hawaii has already confirmed that it made the copy that was released, and that it is authentic and that Barack Obama was born in Hawaii. Birthers would have you believe that there is a conspiracy involving multiple administrations- Republican and Democrat- in Hawaii- along with of course the newspapers that printed the birth announcements 50 years ago etc, etc.
we birthers don't sneak like you obots.... don't have to. we'll see if obama has been sneaking. history will tell. i already think he's sneaky.
I'll just let this post stand on its own dis-merits. I didn't realize until washingtonamerica.com told me that thinking the President of the USA is sneaky is justification for Birther nonsense.
Yes it would matter. However, no it doesn't. The man is a US citizen. Do you really believe that the CIA, FBI, and Secret Service would allow someone who wasn't an American citizen to sit as president? People, drop the old hat conspiracy theories. It's over.
"This Court is deeply concerned that Taitz may have suborned perjury through witnesses she intended to bring before this Court. While the Court seeks to ensure that all interested parties have had the opportunity to be heard, the Court cannot condone the conduct of Plaintiffs counsel in her efforts to influence this Court." Judge Carter Not sure, by the way, does this concern you?
