Would a significant decrease in suicides justify a gun ban?

It wasn't enough to like your post. It needed to be said a second time.

"No clause in the Constitution could by any rule of construction be conceived to give to Congress a power to disarm the people. Such a flagitious attempt could only be made under some general pretense by a state legislature. But if in any blind pursuit of inordinate power, either should attempt it, this amendment may be appealed to as a restraint on both." [William Rawle, A View of the Constitution 125-6 (2nd ed. 1829)

 

My liberty shall not be infringed because it has zero chance of harming others. You want to take my liberty away because of the actions of criminals. Why should my constitutional right be taken away because of criminals?
There is evidence that 99.9999999999 percent of the nearly half a billion firearms in America cause no harm to others. Especially of you are not a drug dealer, gang banger, or criminal involved in other nefarious activity.

 

Too bad gun control advocates can't understand so simple a concept.

 

They understand... Rejecting the concept, and replying with the peeverbial emotional appeal as justification "if only one life is saved" cloaks their real objective, that of complete disarmament to increase dependency on and supremacy of the central government's power over the people, power that benefits those elites running the government that are exempt from the restrictions of the common populace...it's a theme continually repeated throughout history, one the founding fathers had hoped to prevent.

 

The limit to liberty is when a liberty is used to infringe on the liberty of another.

 

And yet when their own logic is turned back against them, about how if firearms ownership saves only one life, they have nothing to offer up in response.

 

Very true, if I prove firearms have saved my life, it is only an Anecdote !
Firearms have also put much food on my plate !!!
As a 10 year old in another Country not the U.S. I hunted doves in Sugar cane fields, and cooked them over a fire with salt & pepper, with hot tea, very good eating, with fresh limes and avocado and mangoes !!!!

 

Hey that sounds really tasty!!

AA

 

It was, there was one time, I had just shot a sack of doves, and an old man on a donkey offered hospitality, his home not far, lots of kids there, I gave him some money to buy some things, what a feast we had ! it made me very happy too ! really good cooking, later in life,
I ate more expensive meals, but not as good as that meal by far.

 

I am a hunter and up here in Massachusetts we have a LOT of game.

So much in fact they are trying to encourage more people to hunt.

There are so many deer that it is ridiculous and this overpopulation has become a problem as the deer are eating all the very young saplings along rivers and lakes and this kills the small trees and is causing erosion.

Now I hunt in Mass. with shotgun and bow both compound and recurve and I even hunt with Primitive as by buddy owns a few primitives.

We can't use riles to hunt deer in Mass. as the state is too densely populated in the eastern half but on my side in the west it is heavily forested but still I have to use my rifles in other states.

Because off all the deer MOUNTAIN LIONS are now back in Massachusetts and a few yeas back after this huge argument of hunters telling the State Wildlife and Fish and Game Commission that there were lions in Mass. and the state basically saying there were NOT....a 204 lbs Mountain Lion was accidentally killed by a truck on the road and the stat had to fess up!! LOL!!

I walk out my back door from my home and I have land and I have made several Mountain Lion track casts.

I also always get several pheasants a year at a minimum even i I am not hunting much and I bag Quail and Partridge or Grouse.

We have HUGE....and I mean....HUUUUGE....WILD TURKEYS here and they are always in my back yard!! LOL!!

Last year 11 wild turkeys decided to take up residence on the front lawn and sidewalk of our town hall and when people would walk by the turkeys would follow them!! LOL!!

They were weighing in at between 17 to 40 lbs and I mean HUGE!!

AA

 

What a load of (*)(*)(*)(*). Japan is absolutely relevant to this conversation. As is France who has higher suicide rates and Belgium as well. Suicide rates have precisely dick to do with gun ownership. I won't even get into the rights part of it because the whole argument is (*)(*)(*)(*). We have a lot bigger issues to worry about like cancer through smoking, obesity, etc which take hundreds of thousands of lives each year. Suicides are not worth restrictIng people's rights over.

 

Do you think if the left makes this argument that gun owners commit suicide more often, we should make the argument that MickeyDs should be outlawed since fast food patrons are more likely to die of obesity?

 

LMAO, logic and critical thinking are not liberal traits.

 

It is an argument they would likely agree with, as it would be another example of government having the authority to tell the public how to live their lives, because government knows better than the public.

 

You know these people simply want to make laws for everything.

It's getting so bad even a kid can't ride a damn tricycle without someone forcing them to put on a helmet and pads!!

AA

 

It is the only method that would accomplish a gun ban in which people could not complain. While it would be highly unlikely to ever pass, if it did, there would be no going back, that's really all I'm saying. I wouldn't support such nonsense, but if it did ever pass I would have no recourse and I understand that...