Would you support a partisan voting rights bill from the democrats?

PLEASE READ BEFORE VOTING

Democrats are going to start pushing their two voting rights bills. So I have read one of them.
“For the people act of 2021” is the one I have read. In it you will find words such “equitable”. This word means that the voting locations they will be setting up will favor certain demographics, not an equal approach but an equitable approach will only disenfranchise those they choose to. Equitable is only a dandy word for unequal. Remember that

You will also find that they are pushing voting practices that were used during the pandemic as a permanent means of voting. Such as the drop boxes in every county. In this bill they are trying to force every state to have a Dropbox in every county. This could make thefts easy.

They are also trying to use government funds in the forms of grants to influence underage kids to get active in elections. They give a few examples but leave this up to the states applying for the grant to decide how they do it for the most part. This will lead to indoctrination.

Also in this bill it allows for felons to vote so long as they’re not currently behind bars.

this bill is loaded with democrat wish list for voting and is an attempt to take all chances away from a true fair election. It’s clearly partisan and no voting bill should ever be passed on partisan lines. Specially from a party that has not earned the trust of voters from the las election. This will not help people gain trust in our voting system at all. I am strictly opposed to this and I am curious if you are all in the same boat or not.

here is a link to the bill
https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-bill/1/text


So the question is simple. Would you support a clear partisan voting bill?

 

The number of polling places in minority communities has been reduced to a point where people don't bother with it knowing they might have to stand in line for 8 hours (and yes, its like that). As for wealthier neighborhoods, the process takes few minutes. That is BS and needs to be addressed. Shame on those who created that situation. Just because they add polling places in poorer areas doesn't mean they take them away from you. I hope you understand that.

 

Like I said their answer is not equal voting access it’s equitable voting access meaning they want to make certain demographics easier than others. That’s not equality, they just want to flip the coin.

 

I know how you are trying to spin it, but the truth is exactly how I just explained it, and the States which made it so difficult for blacks to vote (by removing polling places) ought to be ashamed of themselves. I don't see why you'd want to down play it and insist that nothing should be done. My neighborhood? Nothing needs to be done, because it takes 10 mins to vote. Isn't it obvious that they'd fix the issue where the is an issue and not fix it in places where there is no issues? The GOP does the opposite, always trying to make it even easier in those places where are no issues, while making it worse in place where they have problems.

 

Then address it with the local canvassing board and county officials.

 

COUNTY officials decide how many polling places and where they are located and the places of which you are complaining are run by Democrat election officials. The federal government does not oversee local elections nor do they have the authority.

 

Everyone should be able to vote by mail.

Everyone should be able to vote early, by say 5 days.

Election Day should be a Federal holiday.

 

No, it’s not exactly how you explained it and there is no spin. They used the word equitable not equal. If they wanted equal access the would have used the word equal. If you don’t understand the difference between those words it doesn’t equate to a spin.

 

Why should Election Day be a federal Holiday? So that the state paid employees can vote but the public worker still has to wait?

News Flash: anyone who wants to vote by can already. That’s not what this is about. And the constitution clearly sets a date for the election. You can’t just pick what days you can vote.

 

Would you be ok if your voting location was closed causing you to go to one further away to wait in line 8 hours because days were arbitrary limited?

As long as age is an acceptable reason to vote by mail anyone should be allowed to vote by mail as that is blatant discrimination against the youth. Would you agree with completely eliminating all mail in voting?

 

Strawman

Irrelevant and unverifiable personal information.

More Strawman

 

Strawman.

Question based on strawman.

 

What you have just described sir is an entire boatload of unsubstantiated opinions devoid of any evidence.

Your last sentence being the worst example of the entire post

 

Well, in the UK, we usually have at least four years notice when we're gonna vote in a general election. Polling stations are where they've been for decades. You can vote by post if you wish, also by proxy.

So if anyone still struggles to vote, or someone feels it's restrictive, then maybe they should be examined by a doctor.

Anyone who's a responsible member of society can contribute by voting. Those that don't wish to live in society and feel incarceration to be their preferred option, then has decided not to have a vote.

 

No, this has been discussed many times before, and if you live in a poor black districts, the chance are that you'll wait in line for hours and hours, and in many cases the polling places close before you get to vote, and not your party is creating laws which make it illegal to provide food and water to people who stand in these lines. Its a shameful approach to trying to win elections, and I dont care which party puts an end to it, but it needs to stop.

Keep the gaslighting to yourself. In 2013 the Supreme Court ruled that States no longer need to DOJ approval to close polling places, and since 2016 21 000 polling places have been closed, and the lines in many black neighborhoods are hours long. 80 were removed in Atlanta alone. Why do you think so many Americans don't bother with it? Because it has been made very difficult in certain places.

 

Since people cannot donate excess food or beverage to the homeless, why should people be allowed to distribute food or beverage to people voting?

Voting by mail or absentee ballots are for specific purposes. Those in the military, overseas, and disabled. If a person can, but isn't willing to put forth an effort to exercise their DUTY to vote, then they take what others who did exercise their duty to provide.

Perhaps, if people feel they need an additional poling place, they should volunteer to staff it. Every polling place I've encountered has one or more elected Board of Elections member present, and the rest are volunteers. Early voting, or day of. I've waited in lines over an hour, and brought my own water bottle.

In Atlanta, so who has the power, even if it is indirect, to add back or increase the size of existing polling places? The Mayor? The Governor?

 

I voted YES in the poll to improve voting rights laws. We should be doing everything possible to allow all eligible citizens to vote.
It appears the only ones who want to restrict voting rights are Republicans. I wonder why?

 

I get it. You support the idea of making voting more difficult if it improves your partys chances. I know others who agree with that.

According to who, or what?

If you wanted to know the will of the people when it comes to choosing our representatives, why not mail everyone a ballot, and find out? The answer is painfully simple, - you dont care about the will of the people, you just want to see your party win and you'll do anything to make it happen.

They believe they would not be able to win if everyone voted. The truth is that they don't know that if they never try.

 

I didn't read and didn't vote. I look at all the voting rights legislation when only one party supports or wants it as that party trying to gain a political advantage. I support any voting right bill that is bipartisan, one in which both major parties think is needed, not just one. By bipartisan, I mean a good number of each party supporting the bill. It doesn't have to be a majority from both parties. But a good number of each must be for. If not, I look at these bills, voting rights, campaign finance reform and the like as the party in charge, the party supporting these types of legislation with total opposition from the other party as that party trying to gain a political advantage.

 

That won't happen since one party wants to make voting easier and the other wants to the opposite. Besides, "total opposition" has been the name of the game for a long time. GOP was in total opposition of corporate tax cuts and even building a border wall when Dems proposed it, but were in a hurry to pass such items when they proposed it after they won majority in Congress. Opposing for the sake of opposing. And Dems typically oppose pretty much everything GOP does too. That is the problem with the two party system.

 

That’s not true. If democrats wanted to make it easier they would make voting locations equally available not equitably available

 

OK, off into assumption land you go. What is 'my party' since you are making assumptions.

Apparently, you don't agree with the basic idea that people who can put forth an effort to do their civic duty, should. You apparently feel that voting shouldn't be any type of important activity.

Back to my first statement. You obviously don't even know who 'my party' is. To borrow a statement made by a late great (rip) poster from another corner of the net, 'allegiance to a party line will buy you exactly what they are serving'. Apparently, that is your preference, it's not my preference.

That well may be true for both sides of the duopoly. Which is why one has to stop voting for the lesser of evils, and start looking at those who actually come as close as possible to your personal goals.

Now that I have hopefully clarified your multiple misconceptions, the idea that voting should carry no more import then buying a pair of shoes, is what you are promoting. The idea that people should not put forth any effort into something, has been proven time and again that the value received in those circumstances keeps dropping, to where even doing the least amount of effort possible to complete the task is too much.

Personally, I have no problem expending time to do my duty of voting. I do my research (at times, it's basic) prior to going to the polls. I usually know the subject matter and those who represent what aspect of it. Those that can't bother to find the respect for what they are participating in, will likely not bother with that, and that is a horrid shame.

 

Its so important that I think we should make sure everyone gets to vote. Why do think "important" means that you wait 10 mins to vote while others wait 10 hours? Just mail the ballots to everyone, so they can vote.

No, I do not vote for wither party. Your strong support for voter suppression suggests you support the Republican party, but if you are not "R", then so be it.

Sure

Again, why does it have to be more difficult for some people than others?

 

10 minutes on occasion with early voting has happened. They closed the regular polling place about 10 years ago, and now for regular voting, I have to drive 30 minutes each way, and wait about an hour. I make sure I hit early voting which usually takes 10-30 minutes. I wouldn't trust the US mail with a birthday card, much less something that is important enough for the future of this country. By 'mailing' ballots, not only do you not know who is receiving them, you do not know who is completing them. Showing one's face and proof of eligibility to vote for the majority gives just a wee bit of security to an important event.

Why do you want to prevent that?

You continue to claim that I 'support voter suppression'. I don't. I encourage everybody who is eligible to vote, to do so. I've driven people to the polls in my own car, on my own time, with no recompense. Have you?

I've made phone calls and appointments with local transit to come pick up elderly people who still want to exercise their duty to vote in person. My car is not equipped to handle wheelchairs or physically disabled, but I know the phone number to the local free transit system that can.

Congratulations on a well thought out response.

Again, why does it have to be more difficult for some people than others?[/QUOTE]Perhaps some people make it more difficult on themselves. Perhaps they need to create a petition to correct the issue. Exactly what percentage did you say is having to stand in a line for 8 hours in order to vote, who could not take advantage of early voting, or voting on a Saturday? I seemed to have missed that bit of information that should cause everyone else to have to make changes that challenge the security of a civil duty....

 

Because they can mail them, or send electronically, to those who are in the database and have already proven eligibility.

Sounds like someone bought the "massive fraud" nonsense.

This is like talking to a wall.

If you don't think its a problem that people have to wait 10 hours in a line, while others vote in minutes, then so be it. How would you feel if you stood there like an idiot for 7 hours and when you get to the door they lose it and say you're too late.

I get it. OBVIOUSLY you don't want to improve the situation. You have made that point crystal clear.

You are lucky your "duty" is so much easier to fulfill than it is for others, so why change it.....