Would you want a good life as a slave, or a bad life with freedom?

It appears with the confederacy slaves who fought for it were from rich households, with masters who treated them well.

And the union army who won, had segregated armies that made people fight for freedom to live in poverty, or worst lives.

Our presidential election is the same way, Clinton and her rich friends wants us to be slaves with the good life not working on welfare, and Trump who is also rich wants us to be free, but with harder lives working. If we use history to judge this election, Trump is suppose to win.

What is your choice, free with a bad life being poor, or a slave with a good life being rich? I would be the slave, since that is the lesser evil.

Of course the greater good is being free and being rich, but that is not a choice for most people and neither Trump nor Clinton can keep that promise, since it is not pragmatic during these times or in the near future.

Thanks for your participation in advance.

 

Is there such a thing as a good life as a slave or a truly bad life with freedom?

Very few Americans have ANY clue what slavery is like, the value of their freedoms or what REAL poverty is like either. This has resulted in a whiny, spoiled, even juvenile minded society of crybabies and emotionally weak people that is increasingly taking a terrible toll on society.

Where it gets complicated is if you go to other societies that had slaves, where being a slave was an economic class along the lines of being a serf. If the alternative was starvation but free, I suppose a case could be made better to be a non-starving slave. But, then, starvation is it's own slave-maker, isn't it?

 

yes there is such a life, in the bible we are taught to serve our earthly masters as we would God.

if our masters treat us good and don't beat us, why would we want freedom?

we would be like family to rich masters who are generous to us in exchange for our labors, just as long as we live by the commandments of God.

why choose freedom in a miserable hard life of poverty, where our labors are not as fruitful as they would be when serving a good master.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NoAzpa1x7jU

There is no good life as a slave. There is no life, period; you have no life as someone else owns your life. Your master may be good, now, but that can change.

You may or may not have a good life as a free person, but it is your life and you can change it . That change may or may not be easy or hard but it is your choice. You don't have to live in fear.

This is why the replicants were so bitter. They had escaped but were still enslaved by their limited life spans, only Rachel was free and she was really only free to die, but that is the human condition

(Rutger Hauer should have won an Academy Award for that scene alone. He IMPROVISED "tears in rain")

 

I WOULD RATHER be a badass that's free. If that comes with a BAD life, BRING IT ON.

 

Poorly worded poll options IMO, but personally, I'd prefer a tougher life Free, than an "easy" one as a slave.

As a matter if fact, one could argue this as a reasoning for our rebellion against England some time ago.

 

MOSES KILLED Trump. Who was beating one of his HISPANICS he has working for him.

 

Taking it out of the religious context that obviously makes sense.

There are analogies of lesser drama. For example, it is better to be an employee or employer, a supervisor or the one supervised?

 

Freedom is the good life. There is no possibility of the good life in its absence. If you want "the good life" but don't care about freedom you don't need the government to do anything, just:

1. Go to the bank, cash everything out.
2. Sell your house.
3. Buy a few kilograms of uncut heroin.
4. Inject heroin for the rest of your life.

You'll have a great time, trust me. Until you realize you're in a cage. Man is not meant to be caged, even by his own actions.

 

These aren't really analogies, let alone not good ones. An employee can quit, and is actually a partner with his employer though not often recognized as such. People who are supervised also can quit, and most appreciate the ability to accomplish more that a supervisor is supposed to give. A slave is a completely different relationship than either of these. A slave must be beaten or punished somehow or they have no reason to work. This is why slavery only succeeds in times of labor surplus, not shortage, and why most slavery is really sex slavery.

 

Re the bolded. I'm going to assume this to be for the sake of argument only, as it's otherwise probably the best example of an utterly fact free post on here yet, or ever, anywhere, for that matter

 

Hmm I don't agree with slaves having to be beaten or punished or they won't work. I think it's hard to conceptualize in today's culture but I am very certain there were many slaves who because of the culture whether it be Roman, American, Asian that simply understood that's what life is if born into it. Many were. For those I think if valued and needed felt important and wouldn't even want to be free.

For me I'm in the Free camp unless I can be a slave on Epsteins island and just be a sea satyr to all the rich spoiled socialites.

 

Youre response is to limited on social and historic context. In many societies to lose your job was or is to starve to death. In addition, the result could be imprisonment in the most harsh terms.

 

Oh quite, but that was ancient slavery, an entirely different thing, much less harsh and less oriented to hard labor than any modern form. Many of what we would call "middle management" or even "bureaucrats" were slaves in the ancient and even Medieval worlds . Indeed, many slaves were actually freer under the Romans than they had been in the barbarian tribal hierarchies; the Grand Vizier of the Ottoman's Sublime Porte was, technically, a slave

In the Ancient world almost everybody was in that relationship with someone else over them, even the Senators could be killed anytime should they get on the wrong side of the wrong people.

Yes, we can too, in the final analysis, but nobody says that is the right and proper way of things, well, not much anyway.

I always wanted to be Tiberias, and I wouldn't even throw my "little fishes" off the cliffs when I tired of them.

 

If the one person who voted for enslavement could PM me, I have some work around my shop I need done.

Thanks.

 

True enough, the real difference between slavery and freedom throughout most of history is so subtle as to escape most people's notice, probably the main reason that until recently freedom was not considered to be something which existed at all as a factor in most people's thinking, let alone something worth fighting for.

 

What is 'harder lives working?' I have never heard Trump say that.

My choice is choice but, one can choose bad as well. It is scarier to be free however much more rewarding to be your own 'slave.'

Sometimes the 'greater good' is making mistakes, experiencing 'bad'.....picking oneself up and overcoming. Money ain't gonna give ya that however, money is the REWARD for that.

You betcha...

 

I think it's the OP...could be wrong....

 

Freedom allows you to live a great life if you want to.

 

i respectfully disagree, england did 'taxation without representation', which made the lives of Americans harder.

taxation without representation is the same as a master who beats their slave, or treats them badly.

in that case we must fight for freedom, it is no longer a privilege to serve.

 

Right, you more or less made my point.

 

I havnt voted yet. Big decision. I'm leaning towards slave. Purely in the context of this polls wording because well who's free now? Tell me how many free actions you take per day? Seriously... The rapid development of our current society socially, population and government wise has to my mind removed almost all freedom we just fool ourselves that we are free.

I wake up have to take a shower since my wife makes me, I get dressed according to work policies professional not what I'd prefer which would be a Tshirt and jeans, I get in my car and have to wear an annoying seatbelt or some yahoo in a tin foil hat will give me a ticket, while driving to work I have to drive X speed limit in my lane and I can't occasionally run over a self important cyclist going 10 miles an hour taking up an entire lane, I get to my office and I can't park on the grass right outside the door I'm told I have to park in designated parking, then once at work I have to sit at my desk versus the floor which I'd also much rather prefer because the IT guys run the cables so short that you can only move stuff like 6 inches, and on and on it goes.. All day every day. It's forced! I have to do things in this predetermined structured way that we as a society dictated or I can't provide shelter for my family, food, electricity and wifi so I can babble on these forums about things I'm ignorant in mostly. So the only true freedom that comes to mind at the moment is my ability to type this here. So in reality I am a slave with a lot of responsibility. If I wasn't an optimist these facts would be depressing

Whereas a slave in a good household why.. Bills are paid, food provided, clothing, shelter everything with none of the headache.. I mean it sounds tempting

 

All of you conservatives do this. You bemoan the fact that your "freedom" to do things that are trivial, nonsensical and/or self destructive is being curtailed and ignore the fact that your important freedoms are the best protected of almost any person in the history of the world.

Go home and find that your wife and children have been sold, are now several thousand miles gone and you will never see them again. Face the fact that your daughter will be employed mainly as a courtesan to friends of your master. Tell your son that he will never engage in a career he has both talent and affection for because he must succeed you as a butler. Do all these things and then tell me how a slave's life is better because you don't have to dress to please your clients

 

There is no such thing as a good life as a slave. It is one of the definitions of a bad life.

Where those living in slavery feel their life is good, they are either living on a very basic, material level or have found secret ways to attain some freedom for themselves under a repressive system.

 

you are right and confirmed my original posts prediction that Trump would be President, if we use history to judge.

the union won because it made people free even though it made them have harder lives in poverty, over easier lives working for rich masters, as Clinton who works for the rich would have us.