WOW! The First COVID-19 Vaccine Was Made in 'Record' Time and Just Given to 45 People in Seattle

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  1. nopartisanbull

    nopartisanbull Well-Known Member

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    FOLKS, we have a serious/alarming problem, and "poor communication/misinformation makes situation even worse".

    I also want to reassure Democrats that Modana Inc, the FDA, and other approval entities will unlikely be politically pressured to distribute millions of doses prior to November 3......main reason; Modana Inc. and Bill/Melinda Gates Foundation are PARTNERS, and I highly doubt the Gates would allow Modana Inc. to accelerate its phases for "political reasons".
     
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    Huh?:roflol:

    The Vaccine WON'T possibly be ready for (at least) 12-18 Months.

    Do you understand how Clinical Trials (to assess Human Safety) work?

    Totally LMAO at some "Dem/Gates Conspiracy".

    You have got to be joking.

    Thanks for the laughs.:salute:
     
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    I tend to agree but as was done with the phase 1 approval, I bet it's all hands on deck to figure what could be done to safely speed it up as well, mainly cutting red tape. Clinical results don't have to get bogged down in governmental red tape and my bet is that is where it will get sped up.

    This is only the vaccine, others are working on treatment and there is more to come as promising treatment is starting to show promise quickly.

    All this is a credit to our privatized medicine, lord knows if anything is shown from this is that it takes our private businesses to accelerate everything from testing to vaccination. The government is slow and not driven enough to provide what a country our size needs.
     
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    This is only the phase 1 trial

    More testing to be done yet
     
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    nopartisanbull Well-Known Member

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    Quote: This is only the vaccine, others are working on treatment

    For your info.....

    Quebec biotech firm produces a potential COVID-19 vaccine

    'Extremely fast' turnaround, but months of tests required to verify effectiveness in humans'

    A biotechnology company in Quebec City that previously developed and mass produced a flu vaccine says it has produced a potential vaccine for COVID-19.

    This is not yet a coronavirus vaccine — at this stage it is a "vaccine candidate" that could still prove to be ineffective during several steps and test phases.

    But as scientists around the world race to find a vaccine, the 20-day turnaround by the company, Medicago, is notable: vaccine candidates are typically developed on a scale of months or more.

    "We can produce a vaccine candidate very quickly once a pandemic is declared," said Nathalie Landry, Medicago's executive vice-president of scientific and medical affairs.

    "We can scale up very quickly and produce a large number of doses. If you think of influenza, for example, it takes anything from four to six months before vaccine doses are produced."

    Medicago's vaccine candidate is moving at a "very fast pace," and will proceed to safety and efficacy testing in animals in the coming weeks, Landry said. Human trials could begin as early as July, the company says.

    Medicago uses "virus-like particles" — molecules that mimic the form of a virus, but without the infectious properties — that can trigger a human's immune system to create antibodies that can fight the actual virus

    The technology is like a photocopy of the virus and permits an "extremely fast" turnaround, said Dr. Gary Kobinger, head of the Infectious Disease Research Centre at Laval University, whose lab is working with several vaccine candidates, including Medicago's.

    "A virus-like particle is exactly the same thing as the virus itself without anything inside," Kobinger said. "It's an empty shell with the same outside, but the inside is completely empty. There's no way it can replicate. There's no genetic information, no protein, nothing."

    Medicago's system means "you can engineer it very easily by getting the protein of whatever virus is going around and swap it in," said Dr. Marc-André Langlois, a professor in the faculty of medicine at the University of Ottawa, who is working on another vaccine candidate and is not involved with Medicago's work.
    "The advantage is that you can get it done extremely quickly. It can result in excellent candidates that can produce a vaccine."

    Kobinger's research group is also using Medicago's technology to try to develop a therapeutic treatment for people already stricken by COVID-19, using copies of the antibodies found in the systems of people who were infected with the virus and have since recovered.

    Landry said that Medicago's previous successful vaccine projects, including a flu vaccine developed in 2012, gives high confidence that the COVID-19 vaccine candidate will work, though she noted there are no guarantees.

    Vaccine ready in one year is 'miracle' scenario
    The company's technology uses plants — instead of animal cells or eggs — to mass produce vaccines, which means scaling up to deliver vaccine doses to millions can be done more quickly than with traditional vaccine manufacturing processes.

    Kobinger says the technology is extremely promising, but even a "miracle" scenario would mean a vaccine reaching the public a year from now with proper testing.


    "If they enter phase one clinical trials in July [or] August, you could see phase two in December … and phase three in maybe March of next year," he said. "If we did that, we would beat all records."

    All experts emphasize that the testing process is a crucial step. A vaccine candidate could prove to be unsafe, or it could be safe and effective in animal testing and have no effect on humans.

    "Every virus is slightly different," Langlois said. "I think no one can predict if something can be safe and effective until it is tested."

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/biotech-quebec-city-coronavirus-1.5497043

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    Quote: Medicago's vaccine candidate is moving at a "very fast pace," and will proceed to safety and efficacy testing in animals in the coming weeks.

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    QUESTION: What do WE, THE PEOPLE want?

    a. Global cooperation

    or

    b. Countries battling for Covid-19 vaccine supremacy
     
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    No No you are exactly right sorry for the confusion. I meant to say this is only the vaccine side, others are actively working on the treatment side.

    Yesterday I heard there are 5 companies that hope to have approval for human/vaccination trials as early as next week. Sorry for the confusion.
     
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    Heh, heh.... Yeah, I remember when the government got everybody excited over their new "Swine Flu" vaccine in 1976, and the lines of people to get it were LONG.

    It wasn't even "rushed-through" and yet it killed quite a few people, permanently paralyzed others, and partially-paralyzed others, but mostly for a few months. I couldn't feel anything with my right thumb for almost a half-year. And, at the time, nobody knew what the hell was going on... or, they weren't telling us....

    I haven't had any kind of "flu" shot since then, and, I haven't had the flu, either! 8)
     
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    You should always have the antidote before you release a biological weapon.
     
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    Vaccines won't be availabl for many months.

    Let's remember that:
    - this is one candidate in Phase 1 testing - which is really great!
    - this vaccine requires two courses of treatment. The second course will come in a few weeks. Consideration of effectiveness will come at some time after that.
    - vaccines are usuaally based on the virus itself. This candidate includes material from a similar virus.
    - production runs are months beyond the point where this or other candidates are found to be effective. That is AFTER this disaster is predicted to be reduced.

    imho, we need tests.

    Our approach to this is not going to be based on vaccines according to CDC and other experts. It's going to be based on social isolation and careful isolation of those infected.
     
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    Any "new vaccine" is bogus because the "virus" doesn't exist...and vaccines don't work anyway. All vaccines will do is poison the body/brain...and perhaps that's part of the agenda behind this massive hoax. We'll see the extent of this agenda with time...unless this is just a "test run" to observe the public's reaction in prep for a future operation. "Viruses" are a great way to instill fear into the masses because, conveniently, they're invisible under an optical microscope...and fake 'test kits" can be fabricated to give the impression there's something there because it's designed to detect a specific type of cellular debris (like RNA) that is common in people with a cold/flu. What hospital or clinic or health professional would question it?

    Your only concern right now should be to avoid people who are panicking & the subsequent "reaction" by our govt in "dealing" with it.

    Do yourselves all a favor. Now and in the future, take stronger measures to avoid industrial toxins, medical drugs, vaccines, toxic cleaners, plastic containers, junk food/food additives, and even cell tower radiation & wi-fi as much as possible. They kill you slowly without you even realizing it, until it's too late.

    Germs are the good guys.
     
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    And I'm sure the left and MSM are finding SOMETHING to blame Trump for in there somewhere.
     
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    You just can't stand any good news can you.............amazing
     
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    Yeah that central planning that sent out the bad test and got us behind the 8 ball.
     
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    "45 people in the coronavirus hot-zone of Seattle were given the vaccine and will be watched over the next year to determine its efficacy"

    so a year from now, sounds right on scedule
     
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    Tell that to the millennials at spring break.
     
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    OH NO some GOOD NEWS we better slap that down real quick!
     
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    it's news, not good news yet, still has to pass testing and will be about a year before it's released to the public *if* it works and has no major side effects

    glad to hear they are making progress as planned and are still thinking will be released in a year

    when everyone read the title, they thought woudl be released soon - misleading title
     
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    ~ The left will spin this one way or another - perhaps even resurrecting the Puntin conspiracy. As usual it will backfire ... :no:´
     
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    Tell that to Fox and Rushbo.

    Why is it that recent polling points to Republicans as bing less likely to accept Trump's messages of social isolation?
     
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    ???
    It's Fox and Rushbo who are spinning this as a partisan political issue.

    Our main media outlets are reporting science, the CDC, our governors AND what Trump is saying about the need for social distancing.
     
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    I don't think Fox is doing a Spring Break Festival and I doubt Limbaugh is down there on the beach partying with the millennials so there's nothing to tell them about not doing so.
     
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    No it is GOOD news, it is GREAT news, it takes these steps to even get to testing and then fast track that.

    You just can't stand it and maybe you mistook the headline but don't project that on others.
     
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    it's good news, but not the way the title made it sound, great news would be they had a vaccine and are gonna start administrating it soon

    the fact is, this vaccine, if it works and passes the tests is still a year out sadly
     
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    LOL!!!

    Fox has pitched this as a Democratic partisan plot - as has Rushbo.

    Hannity has been downplaying this suggesting that Trump's measuures (as well as CDC science) are an overreaction.

    The ONE tool we have for preventing spread is social distancing. And, these outlets have downplayed or totally opposed this direction even when Trump promotes it.
     
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    No because there ARE ethical considerations

    How many times were we told there was a break through vaccine for HIV? None worked
     

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