Wrongful Demands And Wrongful Concepts Of Mental Health

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  1. ibshambat

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    Many of the beliefs that are out there are not only false, they are precisely false. They are the precise opposite of what actually is the case. For example I have been called a misogynist. I am such a misogynist that I've written extensive, beautiful poetry for several different women. I am such a misogynist that I sacrificed a very nice setup in America to move to Australia to be with a woman I've loved. I am such a misogynist that I am a loving, responsible father to my daughter and am constantly going out of my way to do what needs to be done by her.

    What we see here is not only a lie; it is a Big Lie. It is representing things as the opposite of what they are. When R. D. Laing called the common concept of mental health as “being out of one's mind,” he was absolutely correct. Once in a therapy session I said that I was being taught to capitulate, at which point a therapist said that I was being taught to capitulate to mental health. The problem is that this person's concept of mental health is mean, ideologically driven and wrong. And I would rather join the Taliban than practice this concept of mental health.

    Is it really mental health to be hateful to love and beauty? Is it really mental health to abuse people who are partial toward the same? Is it really mental health to have no value for arts or for poetry? Or are we seeing here a form of fascism that has no business claiming to exist in countries that are intended to be free?

    Now I am perfectly willing to examine myself; but I am not going to do so according to attitudes that are wrong. I will not examine myself according to errors of Freud or Adler or self-esteem psychologists or New Agers or anything of the sort. These people are wrong – dead wrong. And I refuse to assay myself according to such beliefs.

    What I am willing to do instead is examine these ideologies. And I have done so – extensively. There are many essays on my site athttps://sites.google.com/site/ilyashambatthought that examine things of this sort. You assay me, expect me to assay you right back. And don't expect me to be more gentle toward you than you are being toward me.

    For me, acquiescing to such beliefs is just as unacceptable as it was for Ayn Rand to adapt to Communism. I would rather be dead than believe things of this sort. Do not force on me something that is against my most valued principles. Do not claim such things to be mental health either. They are no such thing as mental health; they are lies.

    I am a Russian romantic. That is what I have always been; that is what I always will be. I am willing to work hard, look after my family and follow the law; I am not willing to give up my cherished principles. Do not try to force on me your false concept of mental health. It is no such thing as mental health; and the more you force it on me the more effort I will put into refuting it.

    So here it is. I am willing to follow your law and to work within your system; I am not willing to give up my way of thinking and follow yours. And if you are genuinely intelligent you will give up trying to make me think your way and allow me to think my way while demanding the things and only the things that you have a legitimate right to demand.
     
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    This post makes sense. Recently I've been thinking, if you have to force someone to think your way, then that person isn't worth trying to convince. There is a much darker second portion to this idea, but that isn't appropriate for this thread.
     
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    This thread and a previous thread about intelligence fall in the same danger zone. Being robbed, either to personal freedom or to personal monies is corruption. To be a free person under a corruptive rule would only mean you either do not know or that you do know but have accepted it.

    If you do not know, then the things you say are based on nonknowledge. If you do know then the things you say are based upon defense of corruption.

    And to try to make another believe corruptive or nonknowledgable words is true is leading astray.

    For the first because you fear the will of the other to not be corrupt. For the second, because the wrong words with such right attitudes, is arrogantly received.

    How could any person who either does not know or accepts of corruption be used as an example to defend or attack morality?

    Such a person is too busy trying to not step on the feet of the corrupt. Even The Holy Bible critics say that Christians ought to be humble and non aggressive. Why? Because of corrupt powers that do not correct the corruption.

    Why wouldn't they change the corruption?? Because they are being strong armed as well

    Who's strong arming them? Those with the large monies that can or not 'donate' for individual agendas, even among Government agendas, local and federal..

    And this is 1 reason why mr. Trump is so disliked. Because he uses his own monies. He used his own monies mostly throughout his campaigning and it would be wise if he used his own jet for travel also. Some have made a stink about his traveling on Air Force 1 already.

    Remember what The Holy Bible says..

    Proverbs 22:7
    "The rich ruleth over the poor, and the borrower is servant to the lender."

    By him using his own monies, he did not place himself to be 'servant'.

    Is that not good? Look around and remember what he was left with when he entered office.

    He had a 16+ trillion dollar debt, word of a sanction for Russia, LGBT and Trans laws and bills to restrooms and private business law suits, us attacks, school attacks night club attacks, pastor attacks to LGBT, attacks to self, almost being shot before he was even elected by the use of a gun that was snatched away from a security in 1 of his rallies, sniper shootings, black lives matter, ... these are all the things which NO ONE is assisting safety to him and to all, about.

    But look at how the international country leaders agree that peace is better. While the citizens are shouting and beating on each other, the leaders are making steps away from war and into some kind of agreement. Away from the inter-national peace and into peace with each other. And how could them promoting peace among themselves as independent human beings be causing complete strangers and citizens to be beating upon one another? It is not likely.

    And so the question is asked again. Where are these trouble makers coming from and why is nothing being done to help keep everyone safe?

    Why the concern? Because the law enforcers work under government, locally.

    This is why persons are confounded. Why are workers to State Government not keeping its citizens safe?

    And when we see the President and other leaders smile and speak as everything is going as normal, what is occurring and what they portray on tv, do not line up.


    Are the countries and their leaders bad and immoral and corrupt? Don't they know what corruption, immorality and bad are? If they remain good, why would they need to fear? If they are corrupt and wrong doing, then they should fear.

    Leaders are not leaders unto themselves.


    Citizens can be tax audited. Leaders can be morally and dutifully audited.

    GOD did not raise them up into leadership seats to corrupt HIS world.

    John 11:9
    "Jesus answered, Are there not twelve hours in the day? If any man walk in the day, he stumbleth not, because he seeth the light of this world."

    John 9:4
    "I must work the works of him that sent me, while it is day: the night cometh, when no man can work."

    Righteous living and speaking Truth helps everyone, including the 'wicked' for the better.
     
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    Night clubs are safer, people are safer, marriages are safer, families and homes are safer.... everyone is better off.


    People will resume in righteousness sooner or later. 1000 years is a long time to not.
     
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    1000 years is a long time to Rot as nobody lives that long or had you not read the memos, or text message sent to everyones multiple devices.
     
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    One definite sign of Mental illness are complex unending inane Paranoid rants against other people blaming them for ones own personal failures.

    We all make decisions both good and bad, and regardless, we are each ultimately responsible for the consequences of those decisions.

    Personal responsibility.

    Nobody is required to believe anything in order to be considered mentally fit.
    Those are classic textbook paranoid delusional patterns.

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    "Is it really mental health to be hateful to love and beauty?

    Is it really mental health to abuse people who are partial toward the same?

    Is it really mental health to have no value for arts or for poetry?

    Or are we seeing here a form of fascism that has no business claiming to exist incountries that are intended to be free ?"

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    I would encourage anyone not to associate regularly outside of Manditory business with people of such ideas.
    I sure wouldn't.

    Howsoever, if a Bloke constantly submits stuff for Public approval and it gets rejected or ignored, do not become angry with those peoples failure to appreciate those efforts.
     
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    If you had schizophrenia, like I did, there would be no doubt in your mind that mental health exists.
     
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    I very rarely write about my life. Instead I write insight into social issues, some of which impact on me and some of which do not. Mistaking analysis for blame or anything of the sort is a very bad intellectual error. Not much is owed to people complaining about their lives. Much is owed to people who apply their intellect toward solving the problems of the world.
     
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    There may be such a thing as mental health, but these people's concepts of what is mental health is wrong. Basically they have decided that mental health is a function of their ideology, which is essentially Soviet psychologizing. For example if there is such a thing as a criminal personality, then what we have is an Orwellian institution of crimethink, in which people can be made criminal by virtue of how they think. This then creates a de facto totalitarianism in which people aren't allowed to be free even inside the privacy of their minds. Or if it is narcissistic, as some claim, to have original thoughts or to seek great success, then the world in general - and America in particular - owes vastly to its narcissists. And if it is schizoid to have spiritual experiences, then the world owes its moral instruction to its schizoids. So what we have here is an institution of brainwashing and deception, that once again has no business existing in countries that are intended to be free. And it is so totalitarian in its pretentions that it would not tolerate even thought and personality that is not its own.
     
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    I see what you are saying I would call it free expression and in some places, people scorn free expression, painters writers ect. Where one lives has much to do with it too.

    I remember as a child saying a witty thing and getting asked who said that ? And getting scorned when I would reply me, when I would make up a name other than my own I would often get compliments on my quotation.
     
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    It seems to me you are confusing "Mental Health" with your individual personality. From your writings it is pretty clear you do have underlying issues with women and power that could present problems, you are also quite defensive about this which indicates you understand it at some level but are somewhat comfortable in it or fearful of changing it. Experience dictates that any changes or adaptation considering this must come from your own mind and self evaluation. As it is equally clear you cannot do so....I wish you and yours good luck.
     
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    Get back to me when you've invented the longer lasting light bulb.
     
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    I am actually quite comfortable with women being powerful. In my relationships, I tended to vary positions, sometimes being in charge and sometimes having the woman be in charge. Where I draw the line is when vicious, power-hungry women claim leadership of 50% of humanity without 50% of humanity having given them the right to do so and use that position to viciously abuse kinder, prettier women and men who like them. Nor is this limited to female gender. I dislike male jerks as well. And the problem that I have with the gender war is that it encourages both men and women to be bad people, while taking it out on respectively women and men who deserve it the least. The men take it out on women in right-wing or inner city or Muslim communities who for the most part tend to be good people; and the women take it out on men near the liberal centers of learning and culture who are the least misogynistic men out there. This creates a perverse set of incentives within society in which people are taught that it pays to be a jerk and that being a good person will get you mistreated. And I seek to reverse these incentives to instead encourage and reward men and women being willing to be good to one another.
     
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    Thank you for an involved response.

    On corruption, check my posts https://sites.google.com/site/ilyashambatthought/libertarianism-and-private-corruption and https://sites.google.com/site/ilyashambatthought/communitarianism-and-corruption
     
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    Yeah, I've had similar situations as well. Sometimes people do not expect wisdom from people whom they think that they know but do not. They think you're just some little person who cannot have anything valuable to say.
     
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