WSJ: The Moral Blindness of Putin’s Apologists on the Right

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  1. Patricio Da Silva

    Patricio Da Silva Well-Known Member Donor

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    Apparently some prominent leaders, including Trump, are trying to paint Trump as the American version of Navalny, and that the DOJ's pursuit of Trump is on par with Putin's treatment (er....murder) of Navalny.

    Even the hard right extremist Mark Levin tweeted concern about the right's lack of support for Ukraine, noting the strategic value of Ukraine and what Putin is up to.

    "Is everyone okay with this?" Levin laments.

    https://twitter.com/marklevinshow/status/1759727173932318937


    Article from WSJ reprinted in MSN

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/worl...f-putin-s-apologists-on-the-right/ar-BB1iwJyT

    The only response of all decent people to the death of Alexei Navalny, the brave critic of Vladimir Putin’s regime, in a Siberian prison camp is grief, disgust and unqualified condemnation. It is the sort of event that defines the malevolent nature of Mr. Putin’s Russia.

    But that sort of decency evidently was above the moral reach of some of the more prominent leaders of what used to be the conservative movement.

    Newt Gingrich saw a parallel that many others also highlighted: Navalny’s “death in prison is a brutal reminder that jailing your political opponents is inhumane and a violation of every principle of a free society,” he tweeted. “Watch the Biden Administration speak out against Putin and his jailing of his leading political opponent while Democrats in four different jurisdictions try to turn President Trump into an American Navalny.”

    Now, the author is a conservative who is as critical of Joe Biden as most of you on the right are, which he does, in the article, but he goes on to say:

    But, need I say this? Mr. Biden isn’t Vladimir Putin. Mr. Biden doesn’t invade neighbors on a false pretext, killing indiscriminately. He doesn’t make people who have fallen into disfavor fall from the windows of tall buildings. He doesn’t throw a foreign journalist in jail for reporting the truth about what is going on in his country. He doesn’t arrange the murder of his domestic political opponents on the soil of other countries. And he doesn’t imprison, torture and preside over the “death by sudden death” of his principal domestic critic.

    If you can’t see the difference then I say, respectfully, that you have lost—or discarded—your capacity for moral reasoning. And that is an even bigger problem.
     
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    Morals you say? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

    CoPilot
    Here some more of Ukraine moral standing..

    Copilot
     
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    They are trying to arrest the leader of the political opposition, JUST like they did to Nalvaney. Face it, Biden and Putin are two peas from the same pod! Its nice that you want to make a thread to try and diffuse it but only someone blind couldn't see all the striking similarities.
    Very funny!
     
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    If you look closely, you'll notice that Trump doesn't even CRITICIZE the Biden administration. All he does is say he's "old" and rant because he's being prosecuted.

    Putin WISHES his critics were like that: completely clueless of what is actually going on.
     
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    It's too bad for the people of Ukraine that Biden won. Trump did a much better job of keeping Putin in check.
     
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    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    When Trump was President, Putin didn't need to control Ukraine. What for, when he controlled the President of the United States?
     
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    HUH? :wierdface:
     
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    It's that tinfoil ushanka Lefties can't pry off their heads.
     
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    When biden won, russia invaded ukraine and people died. Trump was able to control putin, biden cant even control his own dog.
     
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    Please tell what is moral about a war the object of which isn't to win as quickly as possible but rather to guarantee the destruction of one people and the crippling of another. Putin's attempt to conquer the Ukraine is despicable, there is no doubt of this. However they way the US has been 'supporting' the Ukes is the slimiest thing I have ever seen. Meanwhile Russia is now sitting at arms length and pounding the cities with artillery and drones and killing most of those left slowly but surely. Again short of sending in NATO air support the Ukes can't win now, the only thing the Ukes can do on their own is flee or die.
     
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    Care to list all the AMAZING benefits and kickbacks Putin and Russia received during those 4 years? This should be good:)

    Im sensing some good TDS here. But please from the peanut gallery tell us all how much Trump benefited from Russia and vice versa.
     
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    “Watch the Biden Administration speak out against Putin and his jailing of his leading political opponent while Democrats in four different jurisdictions try to turn President Trump into an American Navalny.”

    Newt makes a valid point about Traitor Joe using our "justice" system to attack his political opponents. Very Putleresque - no wonder Vlad endorsed Biden for president.

    But the big difference between Traitor Joe and Vlad the Invader is this: Traitor Joe lets other people invade our country while Putler invades other people's countries.
     
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    When you get tired of pushing thoroughly debunked horse crap and opt for a serious conversation let me know. Russia didn't attack The Ukraine on Trump's watch because with world oil price at or near the lowest prices since the 1980's they simply didn't have the money to finance a war of aggression against anyone.
     
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    You will have to be more specific.

    Like charging a presidential candidate with bank fraud and ruling for a 355 million dollar penalty where no bank is claiming to be defrauded.
    Or charging a presidential candidate with possession of classified material, while refusing to charge Biden when he stole classified material as a Senator
    Or supporting the Biden family receiving 24 million for foreign nationals
    Or 7 million illegals invading this country in just 3 years, with a new bill that allows 1.8 million per year.
    Or a corrupt DA in Georgia going after Trump that is going to be disqualified
    Or a corrupt DA in NY campaigning on getting an Ex president
     
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    You get a lot more out of that post that it contains.

    Interesting opinion -rarity amongst LW press. Particularly the "Democrats in four different jurisdictions try to turn President Trump into an American Navalny.” comment. And let's face it: the only material difference IS that Trump is the object. I think the parallel is remarkable. An autocratic, bordering on tyrannical, government trying to silence one of its most vocal and, dare I say, popular, critics through trumped up charges, violent suppress of protest and non-stop attacks. .
     
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    Looks like you just had an "aha!" moment.
     
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    strange statements get strange answers
    You expect a serious one when you are making up fiction about reasons Putin waited for a WEAK USA president to invade Ukraine?
    SAD!
     
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    When the suggestion is that Navalnys death is a reminder that jailing ones political opponent is a violation of every principle of a free society, that in no way equates to claiming that Biden invades neighbors, make people fall out of the windows of tall buildings, throws foreign journalists in jail, arranges the murder of political opponents on foreign soil, or imprisons and tortures his critics.

    All of these things are silly strawmen arguments where the author is arguing against points that were not raised. Nobody is making those claims. The claim is merely that Navalny serves as a reminder that jailing one's political opponents is an affront to a free society. Nothing more, and nothing less. I find that author's strawman argument to be ridiculous. He didn't need to clear those things up. NOBODY is accusing Biden of doing those things.

    The author's false implication makes me question his motive.
     
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    No! He's waiting for a weak US president to invade NATO countries.
     
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    How many political prisoners are still in jail for trespassing on Jan 6?
     
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    Actually, "Scootch closer to the monitor" it was clearly a "HUH" moment :shock:
     
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    No, I mean like bowing down your head so a petty Russia dictator can pet you. Sad to see somebody who claims to be President doing that.
     
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    You mean indoctrination because public schools quit doing education and doing indoctrination back in the 70's
     
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    Oh come now, it's common practice made popular by "wanna rub my head Obama" :worship:

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    The face on the dude to the left says it all :)
     
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