Yemen: Shia rebels vs. government forces

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  1. litwin

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    Yemen: Shia rebels vs. government forces: which side´ll finally take over?
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/8261867.stm
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/8239374.stm?lsf
    The roots of Yemen's current civil conflict, in which the government is trying to put down a localised but potent rebellion, lie in the Cold War regional politics of the 1960s.

    Then, Egyptian-backed army officers brought an end to Yemen's 1,000-year Shia Imamate and established the modern Yemeni republic.

    Republican troops seized control of Yemen's capital, Sanaa, in 1962, while the imam fled to the northern mountains, where he mounted a spirited counter-offensive from the same territory where the fighting is happening today.

    ...Then, as now, a well-equipped army in Sanaa deployed air power and superior military hardware against the rebels in the Saada region but for five years republican forces failed to defeat the mountain guerrillas.
    Then, as now, regional dynamics inflamed local tensions inside Yemen, with Saudi Arabia and Jordan backing Yemen's imam against thousands of Egyptian troops barracked in Sanaa....

    ...The rebels accuse President Saleh of playing divide-and-rule politics by promoting Sunni Salafi institutes while restricting the activities of a Zaydi Shia revivalist movement, known as the Believing Youth...

    ...Increasing numbers of Somali refugees and a rapidly growing domestic population place escalating strain on Yemen's fragile resources...
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    Granny says, "Dat's right, Now dat we got Saleh outta the way, Obama goin' after dem terrorists, he gonna give `em a smack-down...
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    U.S. escalates clandestine war in Yemen
    May 16, 2012 | WASHINGTON -- In an escalation of America’s clandestine war in Yemen, a small contingent of U.S. troops is providing targeting data for Yemeni airstrikes as government forces battle to dislodge Al Qaeda militants and other insurgents in the country’s restive south, U.S. and Yemeni officials said.
     
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    That was back in the day when the communists were fighting the royalist in Yemen.. and Egypt was backing the communists.
     
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    Communists with all girls in school , secular , etc are much better option then your wahabi model
     
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    Yemen has always been poor and troubled.. That's why the Saudis send them aid and build universities for them. Yemen really has never been stable enough to grow or maintain their oil business.
     
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    your do nothing for free, whats about your main export(wahhabism)?
     
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    Meaning what/ I am not a Saudi.

    The Saudis would like to see Yemen stable and prosperous.. for the purpose of peace in the region. That's why they have funded education in Yemen.
     
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    this is worst one, a radical Wahhabi religious education in a poor country? The Tickling Bomb .... can it be worst?

     
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    LOLOL.. You assume alot..

    Most of the universities they have set up in Yemen are about hospitality service and culinary schools.

    They are teaching Hotel mgmt.
     
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    you can take a "boy " out of wahhabi-land but you can not take wahhabism out of a boy... , you can not just teach with out brain wash those poor idiots , ask the Bosniaks about your "culinary schools", which are well known terrorist centers
     
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    What ..... more tom tit!
    It may have something to do with American drones murdering the yemen people.....ever thought of that? or maybe its the American sponsored murder squads..ever thought of that? Or possibly its the American sponsored puppets , armed forces standing on the necks of the yemen nation? nah.....you'd never think of that!

    Just think....American drones....flown by Americans in American and killing yemeny men women and children for speaking out for asking for democracy......aye not your type of bloody Amerian democracy! That American freedom that kills maims assassinates or your run of the mill American genocide!

    Bollocks!

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    OOOooooh....I'm so sorry, I forgot to mention the puppet installed by America and Those other genocidal reprobate's in Saudi who forced the new president on the people of Yemen!

    And you still don't understand....... and you with all the knowledge of the middle east!

    Perhaps you might choke on your hypocrisy!

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    Acting Colonel Litwin , Thought you would like to know what is happening on the ground right now .
    Position complex but the US now showing its hand after that moronic fake incident of the Underware Bomber .
    Another US sponsored and directed War though I do understand the strategic importance of having the Yemen .

    Publication time: 19 May 2012, 19:19

    The Yemeni puppets, US, Saudis and even local separatist gangs joined together against the Mujahideen.

    Yemen: Large-scale assault of the invaders and puppets on Mujahideen of al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula in southern Yemen continues.

    On Thursday, the fighters of AQAP managed to inflict a major defeat on puppet forces, supported by the US and Saudi Arabia aircraft. The fightings went on throughout the day: from early morning until late at night in the region of Al-Harror of the Province of Abyan in southern Yemen, reports the news agency Madad.

    Source of the agency explained that puppets under the guise of American drones, the Saudi military aircrafts and military helicopters, tanks and armored vehicles tried to break through the positions of Mujahideen, but they failed.

    Moreover, according to a source in the neighboring province of Lahij, puppets have been forced to declare a state of emergency in the hospitals of Lahij due to overcrowding of dead and wounded, while Mujahideen of AQAP have suffered no losses.

    It also reported that close to Al-Harror, near the town of Zinjibar, Mujahideen from the tanks shelled the headquarters of puppet army.

    It is to be recalled, the Americans coordinate attacks on Mujahideen from the command post at a military airbase Al-Anad (see map) in the province of Lahij.
    At the same time, it became known that the militants of the separatist Southern Movement expressed a desire to join the fight against the Mujahideen forces on the side of the puppet forces.

    Due to the major combat operations in west of Abyan Mujahideen commanders decided to make a tactical retreat from their positions in Laudar n north of the province. One of the commanders of AQAP confirmed that before dawn on Thursday, the Mujahideen left the neighborhoods of the town and taken out of town their military equipment.

    The source explained that Al Qaeda conducted a tactical retreat from Laudar without incurring any casualties.

    The day before, gunmen from the "people committees" and the military puppets have lost at least 10 elements during an attack by the Mujahideen on their positions in the mountains of Yusuf in the town of Laudar.

    "Fierce clashes erupted between the Mujahideen and the forces of the regime in Sana'a with the support of mercenaries from the "committee of hypocrisy", which led to the deaths of 10 of them and a martyrdom of Samir al-Fahani, and another mujahid got wounded", said the source of news agency Madad.

    Soldiers of 'Al-Qaeda with light weapons were fighting the enemy in the area of power station, and war planes of the regime bombed the outskirts of the town, without causing any damage to the Mujahideen.

    Analysts say that the withdrawal of the Mujahideen from Laudar will give more opportunity to maneuver around and inflict serious damage to the enemy by transferring to guerrilla warfare.

    Meanwhile, during Friday sermon in a mosque, an influential Islamic scholar Sheikh Awad Banajar announced that the every Yemeni Muslim should go to jihad, because jihad has become for them an individual obligation (fard 'ayn). In the presence of Americans in the country and their allies in the face of puppets, each believer should take up arms and support of their brothers, he said. According to Sheikh Banajar defensive jihad does not need parental permission.

    At the same time a well-known Yemeni journalist Abdur-Razak al-Jamal in his Facebook page commented on the possible "victory" of the puppet army in the battles in the south of Yemen, pointing out that if the army will be able to push out Ansar al-Sharia from Abyan, this will allow them to conduct operations in all areas of Yemen, and expand their aims range as the circle of persons entering into an alliance with the United States will expand as well... The government will soon realize that this "victory" was a mistake made by misunderstanding of the situation, and that it endangers those who should not be there", said the journalist.

    At the end of his report al-Jamal said that today that the Mujahideen are still completely controlling the entire Abyan, except Laudar, and during the onset of large scale attack have not suffered any losses.
     
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    Worth repeating..........

     
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    Aye...but keich is keich, no matter how you dress it up!

    It may of been missed from you news casts but civilians those being murdered by the American puppets have no arms, its there bodies that are stopping American bullets!

    Notice....nothing said about the preditor drome murdering innocent men women and children..... well thats hollywood bull for you!

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    Yemen is swimming in guns... 3 guns for every person.
     
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    Did you notice...... all American!

    But then again....not in the hands of the demonstrators..... but then who's hands are on the controls of the preditors?

    Perhaps one shouldn't be so two faced!

    Pray tell!

    More hypocrisy?

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    Nope.... EVERYBODY has guns in Yemen and they are smuggled from Somalia, Sudan, the US, Ertria.

    Owning guns is a cultural must.

    Outside the major cities there are many warlords... Plus, you have the Al Houthis in the north... al Qaeda and aL Shaabab. You have the oil workers and the factory workers ..

    Poverty is a huge problem, and illiteracy. Its always been wild place.

    I have always wanted to go to Yemen.. so I have been following their story for decades.

    All the oil concessions are in the south... Chinese are the biggest player. Pipelines have been sabotaged.

    So as poor as they are, it just keeps worse.

    The US isn't behind it.. Our interest in Yemen is to keep them out of Saudi Arabia.


    http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Middle-East/2011/0218/Yemen-awash-in-guns-wary-about-unrest
     
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    Approximately 53% of Yemenis are Sunnis, while 45% are Zaydi Shias..

    Religion in Yemen consists primarily of two principal Islamic religious groups; 53% of the Muslim population is Sunni[65] and 45% is Shiite according to the UNHCR.[65][66] Sunnis are primarily Shafi'i but also include significant groups of Malikis and Hanbalis. Shi'is are primarily Zaidis and also have significant minorities of Twelver Shias[67] and Musta'ali Western Isma'ili Shias (see Shia Population of the Middle
     
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    Yemen's factions aren't strictly divided between Shia and Sunni.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/02/opinion/yemen-cant-do-it-alone.html

    Yemen Can't Do It Alone

    By IBRAHIM SHARQIEH


    During a recent visit to Yemen, I was sitting in a cafe in Sana when we suddenly experienced a power outage. I asked the waiter what happened, and he replied: “Saleh’s men keep attacking the main power plant in Mareb to disrupt life in Sana. Saleh is still working against the revolution. He won’t give up.”

    Regardless of the real causes of the outage, the waiter’s explanation reflected a general sense that the uprising against former President Ali Abdullah Saleh and his aides is far from over.

    Officially, the uprising, which was inspired by the Arab Spring and led to hundreds of deaths, ended last February when the former vice president, Abed Rabbu Mansour Hadi, was installed as president. But many Yemenis do not believe that Saleh has entirely exited the political scene after 33 years of authoritarian rule over the poor, deeply divided country.

    Some progress has been made under the new president. By and large, change and uprising in Yemen are proceeding on parallel tracks, and unless the international community provides Yemen with serious support these tracks may collide — with dire domestic and regional consequences.

    Some Yemenis have blamed the opposition for signing the power transfer deal that removed Saleh from power without insisting on making his immunity conditional on his retirement from political activity. The terms of immunity allow Saleh to exercise politics in any capacity he wishes other than the presidency, while also completely shielding him from prosecution. Saleh still serves as president of his General People’s Congress party, which makes many Yemenis nervous about his plans.

    “He is like a ghost,” my waiter said. “You don’t see him but you certainly feel his presence.”

    Young revolutionaries fear their uprising has not yet achieved its goals. Six months since the signing of the power transfer deal, there are still thousands of tents in Sana’s Change Square. Protesters continue pressing their demands as they have for months.

    A revolutionary culture permeates the area, with political slogans, leaflets, music and youths discussing politics around the clock. Almost all political parties are represented at information centers in the square — liberals, Islamists, socialists and secularists. Even the Houthis, a militant rebel group that has fought six wars against the central government, still operate an information center tent called “Shabab al-Somoud” (Steadfast Youth).

    Preparing for what seems to be a long stay in Change Square, the Nobel Prize laureate Tawakkol Karman upgraded her tent to accommodate her family, a secretary and a space to meet visitors. The “Nobel Tent” makes a blunt statement: The Yemeni uprising is no longer a fully domestic affair but has a global dimension and will continue until the uprising’s objectives have been fully met.

    Yemen’s transition, unlike others in the region, was met with unanimous support from the international community, which has positioned Hadi strongly to deal with the multiple challenges he faces. Indeed, President Obama’s recent threat to freeze the assets of “those trying to disrupt the political transition” sent a clear message to Hadi’s rivals about the strong American stance on Yemen.

    Hadi has used this robust international support to change the balance of power in his country. He succeeded in sidelining General Mohammed Saleh al-Ahmar, the air force chief and Saleh’s half brother, as well as Tareq Saleh, a commander of a powerful brigade in Sana and Saleh’s nephew, significantly boosting the president’s power and popularity.

    The partnership between Hadi and the U.S. administration undoubtedly extends to the fight against Al Qaeda. For Hadi, defeating the group is crucial for several reasons. He needs to distance himself from his predecessor by proving his sincerity about routing Al Qaeda. This will earn him the trust of the international community. Furthermore, winning the war against Al Qaeda will pave the way for restoring security and stability in Yemen.

    Hadi has thus far been successful in restoring order in the city of Louder, and the army says it now controls most of Zinjibar, a known Qaeda stronghold. But the suicide bombing at a military parade rehearsal in Sana on May 21, which killed nearly 100 soldiers, highlights Al Qaeda’s effort to shift the battleground from the south to Sana.

    Although these successes are important, they will not transform Yemen into a stable, functioning nation. It will take more than defeating Al Qaeda and sidelining Saleh’s allies for Hadi to win the hearts and minds of Yemenis.

    Above all, Hadi must quickly deliver desperately needed services to the people. Yemen is on the verge of a humanitarian crisis, exacerbated by recent clashes, and aid must be delivered before it is too late. In my discussions with tribal members, “looming starvation” was mentioned several times.

    In addition, power outages happen many times a day, complicating attempts at economic recovery and stalling efforts to resume normal daily life. Frustrated by the frequency of power outages, it is no surprise that the waiter I spoke to believes that Saleh’s men are behind these disruptions. Although it is not required under the power transfer agreement, Saleh’s departure to another country could restore some needed credibility to the political process in Yemen.

    Yemen’s problems can be solved, but the international aid community must step in immediately if the country is to stave off a looming disaster.
     
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    Perhaps you should of started your post wioth once upon a time..... again bollocks, its your nation thats murdering the democracally majoirity demonstrsation against the US puppets!
    Prasy tell...what part of Al queda isn't American? They used them in Libya, they are now using them in Syria.....not to mention Pakestan and Yemen...do you think we are all stupid?
    American dro9nes.... commtiting war crimes and acts of war against unarmed men women and children.l

    There is only one word to decrible your degenarates behaviour but those degenerates are your leaders! But I'd be banned again.

    So suffice it to say..... your national leaders are criminals at best, but AIPAC deserve to be incarcerated with them.

    Aaah..... American democracy! Bollocks!

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    You truly believe that, do you?
     

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