You are the President of the United States

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  1. Johnny Brady

    Johnny Brady New Member

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    I'm sure his opponents will love him to bits 4 years from now when he's made them all as rich as him, and vote him in for a second term..:)

    "If I'm president, we will win on everything we do"- Donald Trump
    It takes a special kind of leader who can effectively manage a team of veritable strangers and find the best way to get strong, winning performances from them.
    I will tell you that the problem our country has is that our leaders are so weak
    We are going to start winning again. We don't win on trade, we can't beat Isis. We are going to win so much. We are going to make America greater than ever before.
    There's nothing easy about running for president, I can tell you. It's tough, it's nasty, it's mean, it's vicious, it's beautiful. When you win, it's beautiful. And we are going to start - we are going to start winning for our country.
    http://www.azquotes.com/author/14823-Donald_Trump/tag/winning
     
  2. yardmeat

    yardmeat Well-Known Member

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    You say that like you never complained about Obama. I never understood the "logic" behind this sort of suffering Olympics argument. Despite the constant kvetching from Trumpeters, the man is not above scrutiny or criticism. He doesn't get the whole country as his personal safe space.
     
  3. yardmeat

    yardmeat Well-Known Member

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    As per usual, no facts will be offered to defend this, only feelings.
     
  4. whinot

    whinot Banned

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    you just dont want the facts, that's all. Chicago has always been noted for ballot box stuffing, Obama encouraged illegals to vote, CA and probably NY gave them IDs to vote with. If you want the facts, Coulter has plenty of documentation in her book "Adios, America".
     
  5. Durandal

    Durandal Well-Known Member Donor

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    Why do people like you have to whinge on about this nonsense? "He didn't win the popular vote! Waah!" So what? Enough, already. Trump doesn't have to say anything about that, you crybabies, just like he doesn't have to release his tax returns.

    Enough BLUBBERING.
     
  6. Steady Pie

    Steady Pie Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    "At the bedrock of our politics will be a total allegiance to the United States of America, and through our loyalty to our country, we will rediscover our loyalty to each other. When you open your heart to patriotism, there is no room for prejudice.

    It's time to remember that old wisdom our soldiers will never forget, that whether we are black or brown or white, we all bleed the same red blood of patriots.

    We all enjoy the same glorious freedoms and we all salute the same great American flag."
    - President Donald J. Trump's Inaugural Address

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    I thought that went a long way to heal divisions. What else can you say?

    Trump is not as bad on minorities as the narrative would suggest. He is without question the most pro-LGBT Republican President ever, for instance. 42% of women voted for him, to suggest that he is some sort of rapist insults the intelligence of these women. Allred has done this numerous times before.

    How do you think the 42% feel when it's constantly all over the media that they support someone they despise - someone smeared as a rapist and misogynist? Women are supposed to be pro-Hillary in a way that men are not supposed to be pro-Trump. Identity politics bull(*)(*)(*)(*) has claimed them and branded any traitors to the patriarchy as Uncle Toms.

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    The issue is the same issue which has been playing itself out over and over again since 1788 - will it be unitary or decentralized government? The Rats beat the anti-Rats for a new constitution in a battle formed around these ideas (read Madison's transcripts of the Constitutional Convention). The question was decided by military conquest in the civil war, and sovereignty has since then centralized into the Federal government and within the Federal government into the executive. The Hamiltonians won in the end.

    But if their claims are true, why not so when scaled up to deal with modern issues? If a national government is justified in controlling trade across state borders, why then is a global government not justified in controlling trade across national borders? Why would this not in time be interpreted as absurdly loosely as the commerce clause is at the national level? Why should national governments be able to override international law with domestic courts? Because the nations haven't each given their consent to be governed? Don't fool yourself, that was the case when going from state -> national also, but unanimous consent quickly bows to majority consent by appeal to "democracy".

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    We will see who wins it in the end, but you can't argue with centralization's 3-0 record. Still, I have been surprised by 2016 as have most.
     
  7. yardmeat

    yardmeat Well-Known Member

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    Then produce said facts. You're going to have to show that nearly 3 million illegals voted and that they all voted for Clinton. Good luck with that.

    This is a debate and discussion board, not a suggested reading list. If you have documentation, I'll happily look at it.
     
  8. AtsamattaU

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    I have two possible answers to your question "why not?" (1) He was never interested in "serving all Americans" (or even serving any Americans). He's only interested in promoting his own name, his own legacy, and his own interests - which are a combination of celebrity and money. If this is true, then his primary concern is going to be discrediting the media, the intelligence agencies, and anyone else with the capacity to expose him. I wouldn't be surprised to see him focus more on media reports and his image than governing throughout his entire term.

    (2) He is not a better man than they gave him credit for being. In other words, he is interested in "serving all Americans" but he can't get over his own self-esteem issues to actually do that. Kind of like Richard Nixon, except that Nixon was actually smart.
     
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    Who cares? Move on.
     
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    He won the election. That's all that needs to be said about it. The popular vote is an artifact of the real vote, which is the electoral college.
     
  11. gandrews

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    Wow, I like this guy. Brilliantly stated. Thank you.
     
  12. gandrews

    gandrews Well-Known Member

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    Uh, have a little problem with reading comprehension, or do you just need glasses?
    Where in my post did you see a single dam word illegal? I didn't see it in my post anywhere, unless I am losing my mind.
    So, until you learn to READ how's about you don't bother me responding to my posts, OK?
     
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    gandrews Well-Known Member

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    What, you find his childish antics, irresponsible tweets and tantrums against any who disagree with him GOOD attributes for a president? Well, that's what you voted for and that's what you got. Enjoy the freak show.
    Personally, I'm already tired of it and I think it's time the man grew up and at the very least, pretended to act like an adult.
     
  14. gandrews

    gandrews Well-Known Member

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    Uh, parroting those lines straight out of the Tea Party's play book, I believe. Good thinking.
     
  15. gandrews

    gandrews Well-Known Member

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    Well, at least the black fellow has acted like an adult for the last 12 years. The present President hasn't managed to do that in 70 years, so I guess it was pointless to mention it, as he's unlikely to change now, is he?
     
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    Thats strictly a matter of opinion .
     
  17. gandrews

    gandrews Well-Known Member

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    Last things first. He'll have to save a lot more jobs before he breaks even after the 10 THOUSAND jobs he cost the Macy's employees just because they refused to sell his clothing lines after his racial tirades. Yeah, a really GREAT man, that Mr Trump!
    If you are going to make a statement like this; "illegal Latino's voted" you'd better back it up with FACTS pal. It's just a bold faced, pants on fire lie, and you know it! Heck, the Republicans with their gerrymandering made it hard enough for any legal, lower income Democratic Americans to get their vote counted, as it was.
    Hillary won the popular vote, period. Your candidate won the election, legally, so why not stop the bull excrement and just own up to the FACTS?
     
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    gandrews Well-Known Member

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    I betcha the Germans said similar things about Hitler's rise to power, and what did that get them?
     
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    APACHERAT Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    FYI:

    The Tea Party never had a play book. The Tea Party was just a movement of American tax payers who decided they have been Taxed Enough Already.

    Now you know the rest of the story. Good day.
     
  20. gandrews

    gandrews Well-Known Member

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    Just because you have lived your life in blissful ignorance does not mean that the world did not exist before Trump ran for office. I know you don't care to hear it, but your boy there has been sued innumerable times by the justice department over the last 30 or so for racial discrimination in his rental business and employee relations.
    Sorry to burst your bubble, but the child/man in th White House has been a racist ALL his life!
     
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    gandrews Well-Known Member

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    He's got a long way to go to make up for the 10 THOUSAND jobs he cost the Macy's employees because of a personal whim. I know this is just another inconvenient FACT but that's life.
     
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    "Press? It's dishonest. Period. Whatever Press says ... it's false, biased ... unreliable ." So, let me get this straight. You are saying that Donald J Trump is the only one in the country who is telling the truth and every one in the media is lying? Everyone?
    How is it then that a Pulitzer Prize winning organization categorically states that Trump of all the stuff that comes out of Trump's mouth (or he tweets) only 16% is mostly true or true? 16%! http://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/
    Come on, WAKE UP The man is a charlatan. He's gotten where he is by making up things people like you want to hear, so you don't even bother to check the FACTS. Take off your blinders and look around you. You have been sold snake oil by a pretty slick salesman, and no matter how much you drink, it ain't gonna cure what ails ya.
     
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    Well, y'all finally got to me. I am so depressed by the ignorance of the Trump supporters' responses that I'm going to go have some Johnny black and try my best to forget how incredibly sophomoric Americans have become. Pathetic actually.
    B-bye for now.
     
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    easy. CA and NY issued driver's licenses to illegals and obama encouraged them to vote. obviously, it was heavily to their advantage to vote for Clinton. you just dont like it that you LOST. Well you did, and we're going to see to it that you never win again. The illegals are going to be GONE and you'll have your proof that they are the only reason dems ever win anything.
     
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    Why does this matter?
     

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