You ask why we're skeptical of climate change.

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  1. YouLie

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    http://lasvegassun.com/news/2016/nov/18/vulnerable-countries-pledge-to-go-all-renewables-w/

    "require support from richer countries to switch to renewable energy"

    It's in that sentence, right there.

    The wealth involved in oil, gas and coal is beyond comprehension. People (governments and world bureaucracies) want that wealth. They want more tax revenue from it. They plan more redistribution with it.

    The people cannot trust governments nor global bureaucracies, because they're every bit as greedy as any corporation that owns the rights to natural resources.

    Their schemes empower government and bureaucracies that are expensive and prone to corruption. Corporate corruption is much easier to deal with (adjudicate) than government corruption. It's far, far more difficult to prosecute government corruption.

    Americans, of all people, should be asking how we conduct ourselves, independent of coercion or deception from the likes of the IPCC; in a manner that best preserves and conserves the natural resources abundant on the most amazingly potentially self-sufficient continent on the planet. We almost have everything we could ever want, and for as long as we want it, right here. The long term plan of sucking dry everyone else's natural resources has to either be placed on hold until there's more global stability, or permanently abandoned.

    We don't need the younger workforce necessary in past economies. Automation and other technologies make it possible to produce without importing labor. The birthrate among immigrant Latinos is markedly higher than ours. Our population problem, therefore our consumption problem, wouldn't be as much of a problem if we'd just stop(*)the mass migration.
     
  2. logical1

    logical1 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    How can anyone believe in global warming, since one-------it really hasnt warmed up in almost 20 years now, and when fools like Gore told us almost 10 years ago that there would be no arctic ice by 2013??????????????
     
  3. TomFitz

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    don't forget the billions of climate refugees that should be here any minute now
     
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    and I thought I was going to see some science...
     
  6. jackdog

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    I seriously hope that within Trumps first week in office he sends Gavin Schmidt to Antarctica to count penguin eggs instead of data diddling
     
  7. politicalcenter

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    Hmmm, the whole western world is being flooded with refugees. You are not paying attention.
     
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    If climate change is real it's up to the people to try and fix it. However, nobody is willing to do what it takes, they just want to complain about it. Another words since the debate has come up, who has stopped or lowered their contributions to the problem. Who drives less, who watches less t.v., who does anything that would help? One man, or laws will not fix the problem. The government only wants another tax area. There has already been patents for devices to be put on homes and businesses to measure carbon emissions, these emissions must be paid for, once surpassing the emissions you must buy from others who have not. This is outrageous and does nothing for the problem. The rich will be allowed to keep all their luxuries, while the middle class and poor will have to compromise in all areas.
     
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    All this climate change or not nonsense is starting get old to me. It was a perfect day here but we could use some rain. I don't blame anyone for not getting more rain I just take life as it comes.
     
  10. politicalcenter

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    So...it isn't happening because it will cost money to fix. Does that mean that there is no lead in the water in Michigan?
     
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    It's all about transfer of wealth disguised as environmentalism
     
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    Yeah, this climate change stuff isn't a problem for me. If it is for you, then sell your car and pedal to work.

    Just sit down and shut up if you want legislation. Seriously, just sit down and shut the hell up.

    Buy a bicycle and tell the power company to turn the electricity off if you're really worried about it. Those of us who aren't worried about climate change are bored by you.
     
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    Water in Michigan, now there's a legitimate concern within our power to control. Thanks for helping me make the point.
     
  14. YouLie

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    Remember when they said the rain forests would be gone? I'm pretty sure it should've happened 20 years ago, according to their calculations.
     
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    ISIS, not climate change. Who's not paying attention?
     
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    Your German Shepherd is almost as good looking as mine.
     
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    You're skeptical of climate change because environmental issues are generally championed by the left and you oppose the left. It has nothing to do with science and it never has.
     
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    Excellent suggestions. It kind of funny how all these global warming loons want the OTHER GUY to do all the changing.
     
  19. politicalcenter

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    This is a ridiculous post. If I quit doing anything.... and that includes breathing the effect would be nil.
     
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    Trumps answer to the question:

    "There is still much that needs to be investigated in the field of “climate change.” Perhaps the best use of our limited financial resources should be in dealing with making sure that every person in the world has clean water. Perhaps we should focus on eliminating lingering diseases around the world like malaria. Perhaps we should focus on efforts to increase food production to keep pace with an ever-growing world population. Perhaps we should be focused on developing energy sources and power production that alleviates the need for dependence on fossil fuels. We must decide on how best to proceed so that we can make lives better, safer and more prosperous."
     
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    Well you got that part right, its all about money and power and how to use pseudoscience to get it
     
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    For the uninformed it would be. Have you ever been to, or read about, the living conditions of the back country say in India? Have you read about the changes made when a simple thing like a solar powered light bulb that allows them to read, or study, is given to them? The greed we see here in the States is absolutely amazing, and depressing.
     
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    Anyone with any REAL common sense knows that yes - the climate IS changing and it's getting a bit warmer. They also realize that the climate has warmed before...then cooled...then warmed again...and so on. All that happened BEFORE we had cars...or power plants...or jets...or HVAC, or...or...or....you name it!

    The point is that the warming is V E R Y S L O W! We're not going to wake up one day and suddenly realize "Oh my - where has all the ice gone - and why is it so darn hot?!?!?!"

    The fact that too much warming can eventually be disastrous to mankind is not lost on climate change skeptics - not at all! What we're skeptical of is the gross over-reaction from the environmental loons on the left and the all-too-quick finger-pointing ritual of blaming the progress of humans for the changing climate.

    Yes - hydrocarbon emissions CONTRIBUTE to a warming climate, but that's NOT the cause! Actual causes can be traced back to myriad factors, including variations in the very celestial body that sustains us: our Sun!

    Yes - we should make sensible changes to reduce our HC output. Garbage in - garbage out! No doubt - but let's take a deep breath and THINK about things before over-reacting!

    Yes - we should closely monitor the rate at which our planet and our atmosphere are warming, and we should take REASONABLE steps to mitigate any drastic rise in that warming.

    However, we should NOT take it to the extreme of halting progress for the sake of appeasing the zealots whose chief error in thinking is that they use their emotions to drive their thought processes -- rather than their power of reason and pragmatism.
     
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    Greed? Oh please. We spend trillions on our own poor. We are the most charitable nation in the world when it comes to helping the world. Every discovery and advancement in science and technology which is good for man is, one way or another, shared with the world. Not to mention our intellectual property which is stolen from us by the world. Then there's the monetary cost to us to use our military to help keep the world free from tyranny. And what do you suppose is the value of one American military personnels life lost in such a cause?
     
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    First the military topic. We spend a lot on war for sure, and we create most of those problems ourselves. We created Hitler, the Soviet Union, the ME crisis, and the list goes on. We establish dictators, then go to war to eliminate them. Right now we are creating our next big enemy, and that is China, with out trade policies (we gave them the high speed dual use computers under Clinton, and then had IBM teach them how to hack into other systems.) So, how many lives have been lost simply to keep the military industrial complex happy? How much is an American life worth? Not much when it comes to the likes of Bush, Rumsfield, Cheney, and others.

    As to foreign aid, do you have a clue as to how little we really spend? And just what would it cost to build a solar, or wind power, electrical system for the bush country of Africa? How about a clean water system?

    http://www.npr.org/sections/goatsan...le-sams-money-goes-to-foreign-aid-guess-again
     

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