I can't help but notice that you didn't provide any reasonable rebuttal. Care to try or are you going to post a half dozen non answers until you come to the point that you finally realize you're wrong? Dare I say, next non answer in 3... 2... 1...[/QUOTE] I just don't chose to waste my time with you. AboveAlha
Where do you get that idea? Are you aware that successive reptitions of the particle version of the experiment produce an interference pattern?
Sorry brain error... I must be thinking of a different experiment, the one involving two entangled photons.
What defines an atom? The nucleus or the electrons? Atoms can gain or lose electrons as they become charged. A positively charged hydrogen (protium) atom is a proton. Is a positively charged carbon atom not carbon?
So you continue to insist stars aren't made of matter. Ridiculous. And once again, electrons don't orbit.
I never stated the Stars did not have Matter in them but the process of Stellar Fusion and the temps. involved generate several states of matter and create all Elements up to Iron...after that Supernoa's are required to generate the rest. AboveAlpha
Yet you said ionized hydrogen is not matter, which constitutes the majority of mass in most stars, and by far the majority of atoms (if you believe ionized hydrogen is an atom). In general, there are no electrons in orbit around (to use your pre-1925 parlance) around hydrogen nuclei in stars.
Really? Isn't a single proton just a hydrogen ion? And besides, the definition of matter that I have always heard is "anything that has mass and occupies space". So a proton would qualify.
The Proton is an Atomic Particle comprised of 3 Quarks. The the classical definition of what is Matter is Atoms. You cannot state that anything that has a mass is Matter as an Electron has mass just as a roton has mass yet an Elecron is not Matter. However when a Proton has a single Electron in it's Orbit this is described as the simplest state of Matter. AboveApha - - - Updated - - - The Classical definition of Matter is that Matter is Atoms. A Proton has mass but so does an Electron...thus mass cannot define Matter. AboveAlpha
I didn't state that anything that has mass is matter, that would be false, A photon is not matter, nor does it have mass. However, if you put a photon in a box (perfectly reflective inside), the box increases in mass (very tiny of course), but we haven't added matter. However, if I didn't tell you what I put in the box, but you measured the increase in mass, would you say the amount of matter increased? I'm trying to find out what people's definition of matter is. The term "matter" is ambiguous. In stars, hydrogen does not have an electron in its orbit (to use your pre-1925 parlance). If that proton requires an electron in its orbit (to use your pre-1925 parlance) to be called matter, then stars are mostly not matter.
The REASON that box increases in mass is because a Photon although massless has ANGULAR SPIN MOMNETUM and thus this is in effect similar to Kinetic Transphere upon a Quantum Level. AboveAlpha
Look....as far as the Classic Definition of Matter it is any material that is comprised of Atoms. You would have to redefine the definition of Matter to include just by themselves Protons. AboveAlpha
Yes! Another non answer. I don't blame you and especially since you can't produce an iota of evidence that shows I'm wrong. Being wrong as much as you are must be quite troubling.
Hmm. Classical? How about modern? http://www.thefreedictionary.com/matter http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/us/definition/american_english/matter http://whatis.techtarget.com/definition/matter And why can't an electron be matter? If you just assume that it is not, and then reach the conclusion that mass doesn't define matter based off that assumption, what you have is circular reasoning.
I see you're changing the subject. Do you finally admit that a proton, electron or neutron isn't matter as you've been using it? I hope you've discovered this to be true. matter?
Because matter is made up of atom(s) Electrons, protons and neutrons are considered degenerate matter which isn't what makes up matter created by atoms.
Just protons? No, why wouldn't you include any atom, be it neutrally charged or ionized? What if we ionize deuterium? Now we've got a proton and a neutron, with no electron. Is that matter? What about ionized tritium? Now we've got a proton and 2 neutrons. Is that matter? What if we ionize helium to to a +2 charge, now we've got 2 protons and 2 neutrons, is that matter? We can ionize hydrogen to a +1 charge (i.e. a proton) and supposedly that isn't matter, but if we ionize carbon to a +1 charge (it has 5 electrons now), is that matter or not? Where is the line drawn? Again, I'm just trying to figure out what people's definition of matter is. Nature will be what it is in any case.
You are asking me to answer unknown aspects of Quantum Mechanics which I can't. The thing the recognize is that MASS is a contruct of assignment that we assign to specific patrticles and particle/wave forms. But Matter as classically defined must be comprised of Atoms. AboveAlpha
Hmm. Got any sources for that POV? Because I just posted a bunch that say mass+space occupation are the criteria. - - - Updated - - - So then a hydrogen ion is matter, yes? Because it is an atom. Therefore it meets your criteria.
I'm not changing the subject. Is a proton and electron an atom? My guess is you'd say yes. If hydrogen loses that electron, is it still an atom? The only thing left is a proton. If chlorine loses an electron, is it still an atom? It has 16 electrons left (and 17 protons of course and I forget how many neutrons). If tritium loses an electron, is it still an atom? It has 1 proton and 2 neutrons left. I don't admit anything is matter or not, it's an ambiguous term to me. However if you choose to define matter, I wonder what that definition really is.
Hydrogen exists in Nature as H2....the definition of an Ion is a Positively or Negatively Charged Atom that has lost or gained an Electron. Notice the word ATOM. AboveAlpha - - - Updated - - - Now you are talking about Nuclear Isotopse. AboveAlpha
