You claim that God does not exist, part 3

get off the horse, man. You seem to revert to ad homs at the drop of the proverbial. That's also proof of something.

 

Actually it likely did happen more than once just one "took", scientists are looking for other DNA strains on Earth if one can be shown or more it would demonstrate this event happened more than once. And if we find life on another planet or moon in our solar system with alien DNA structures it would be absolute evidence its no longer rare since if we get say three examples its game over and life is very likely to exist everywhere its viable.

 

Actually, we have no idea if it is rare or not. We do have direct evidence that it happened once though. Now given the billions of stars in our galaxy that likely have countless billions more planets, the odds are good that life exists somewhere in our galaxy. Then, count the billions of galaxies and ask yourself if it is more probable that we are alone in all those billions upon billions of planets or that somewhere life exists. As for getting to our stage of development, we only have one example of evolution creating a sentient being like us so we should not assume that all life follows the same path. I saw a video by a scientist recently that said we share 98.9% of our genome with chimps. Of the remaining, most of it has to do with hair, hips, disease and just a tiny bit that lets our nuerons divide just a few more times than a chimp. That is it so far. Imagine that for one second. The only real difference between our brain genes and a chimps is that ours keep dividing a few more times during development.

 

I once heard that the odds of a star system of having a life-bearing planet are 1-in-1 billion. Using conservative numbers and saying that there are 100 billion galaxies with 100 billion stars each (I know there are more galaxies than that and there are galaxies with as many as a trillion stars...but let's keep the numbers simple).

That's 10,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 stars with a potential of having a planet that could develop life. At 1-in-1 billion odds...that's 10 trillion stars that could have life. Going a step further and sorting out how many of those planets could have intelligent life...and again I've heard one in a billion odds...that's 10,000 intelligent species.

Now if we find that there was life on Mars and we discover if there is life on Enceladus...then the odds greatly improve.

 

I admit I didn't read through all of the previous threads, but I did want to point out something about odds. If you shuffle a deck of cards, the order of the cards that you get are insanely improbable. Yet you dealt it on the first try. The odds of shuffling that deck are exactly the same of shuffling it in perfect order A-K, the cards dont care whats written on them, that is only the significance we ascribe to them. So no matter how improbable anything is, it is still perfectly possible.

 

And denial is a sign of lack of intelligence.

 

Current research tends to reject the idea that DNA was involved with early life on Earth. Instead, other self replicating molecules, such as RNA or earlier precursors, were likely involved, according to the abiogenesis researchers doing all the hard work about this.

 

Just a heads up. You are losing, and losing badly, with you contrived dispute with Swensson.

 

or emotional or psychological distress. Jumping to conclusions is a sign of arrogance.

 

If that's a statement you want to make, you're welcome to it, but I have not made any such statement. Provide the quote.

 

Which you display nicely with comments like this.

 

Poker Hand Probabilities <link

aka "Possible Poker Hands in a 52-Card Deck"

 

Jonsa, Grumblenuts, dselsolray and myself have all independently pointed out the inadequacies in your posts. It's pretty clear that the problem lies not among us who read them. It seems to me you have three options,

• explaining yourself, but you haven't so far, so I don't assume that you really have an explanation
• waffle on, or provide additional personal attacks, but given the amount of people who have dismissed you, it will be a pretty clear signal that you're out of air.
• Chicken out, admit defeat.

 

Yes, I am arrogant at times. Especially when engaging with people such as yourself, whose main goal seems to be obfuscation and insult. I guess it makes some people feel better about themselves which is a good thing regardless of the fact it makes those around them think worse about them.

gotcha pegged there buddy boy.

 

Who said it only occurred once?

 

My point is if it happened more than once and the DNA is different more than once its clear abiogenesis would not be unique even if it developed using such a way.

 

You congratulate yourself on this assumed nonsense which of course makes anything else you say just stupid. The quoted post proves my point.

 

My point is that current abiogenesis research favors a later development of DNA, perhaps hundreds of millions of years after the first self-replicating molecules developed. It is likely DNA evolved from earlier genetic chemistry. Sure, they're may have been many full starts and complete extinctions with the early precursors to RNA. I highly doubt that exact history will ever be uncovered, although it really doesn't matter much, if at all. By the time DNA evolved I suspect carbon-based life was quite established and full extinction of all life on Earth at that time was unlikely.

 

I'm more interested if it occurred in our solar system one other place where its possible such as Europa orbiting Jupiter could have some kind of life in the water under the outer ice sheet perhaps near volcanized areas it would mean the mechanical process is an expected event where certain conditions are met. So it wouldn't be particularly a special event not needing outside parties like a deity to participate in.

 

Yes, the possibility of life under the water ice on Europa, on Titan or underground on Mars are intriguing, if only slightly educated, speculations.

 

Yes but we find one single cell organism on one with a different DNA tract will demonstrate biogenesis can be naturally occurring in time and we can then make educated guesses as to life in our galaxy if we focus on the outer 30% rim where its least hostile to carbon based life. I would love to see simple cell silicon based life on one of the moons mentioned or under the soil of Mars it would open up two strands of life using fundamentally different paths. But this will take time to investigate properly and we aren't there yet.

 

To which nonsense do you refer?
The fact that you default to obfuscation and ad homs when you have nothing of substance to add or are shown to be full of crap?

Yep your posts certainly do prove a point - one that quite a few of us around here will acknowledge. Like I said, I got you pegged.

 

Since we are not there yet, that must still mean GodDidIt!


ETA: <sarcasm>

 

Theists claim God exists. Atheists then respond, as a reaction (Reactionary ideology), and claim God does not exist. Atheists have DOUBT. Theists have Faith.

How is it any other way???

Falseness is non-existence. If something does not exist then it can never be true....

Atheists doubt God. It's that simple. Some atheists go further, they are honest, and say "God does not exist". That is Atheism.

I've been on this forum for years, and real life of course. I relay events and experiences from both.

Yes....very funny........NOT!

 

It sounds like God is beyond your limits, yes?

Have you ever been blind to something that was right in front of your eyes before???