You go to Hell for believing some parts of the Bible are bull****, but not others-

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  1. FreedomSeeker

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    1. It's simply wrong about that the way it's read TODAY, so what else is it wrong about today?....probably wrong about the magical resurrection....so no need to pray to Jesus.

    2. Doubt...doubt gets people to leave their insane belief systems.

    3. The invisible friend is failing miserably in trying to convey his message to us, clearly. He probably doesn't exist, or doesn't give a damn about us, either way he's not worth worshipping.

    4. If god was real he'd communicate using people's own languages (he's all-powerful, he can do that, right?) so we wouldn't have these problems to begin with. Clearly religions are just cons, meant to control people and get their money (the Catholic Church is a master of this.)

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    The bible is as accurate in it's medical advice as it is about it's after-life advice....i.e. it gets most everything wrong...dead wrong.
     
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    But why don't most translations? Because religious people accept failure way way too easily. "Jesus will make it all right in the end, so no need to think for myself today, I just trust in Him". Sad.
     
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    Non sequitur

    Then, as brucebeat suggested, you should use one of the numerous other arguments which would be much more effective at producing doubt. This one is weak.

    In your opinion. Maybe something badassed enough to be worthy of worship wouldn't give a damn about us, and why should it? What makes us so damn special? Our opposable thumbs?

    Funny how you presume to know what God would or should do. Something that is by definition beyond your comprehension. But I can see arrogance runs strong in this one. I always hear people saying crap like, well if God was all powerful, he would do such-and-such. No, if God was all powerful he COULD do such and such. It doesn't mean that he has to.
     
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    You're clearly a closet theist....obviously.

    I have higher standards about what some entity would need to do to be classified as a "god" than religious people do. "God" created an animal holocaust (the "flood") and they are perfectly fine with that....I'm not, because I care about the animals more than they do, of course.

    What "god" SHOULD do is actually a great question to ask, because it helps to differentiate between reality and just some made up fairy tale like Mother Goose, etc.
     
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    If you sincerely reject God, why ask questions about the Bible? Are you still seeking answers in hopes someone will convince you? Is there a longing in your heart for God, but your mind says no, you're too smart for this?

    Or could it be that this is nothing more than your standard Internet forum flame bait?

    One of my posts was deleted for being offensive. I just about fell out of my chair laughing. The moderators here suck! Constant mocking and insulting from non-believers and I got a post deleted for being offensive. And you folks know be by now enough to know I'm not about that. I make a concerted, prayerful effort not to ever be offensive. But you people are over the top offensive, and get away with all of it.

    I'm not crying. Just saying.
     
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    I love showing how god is as stupid (usually more stupid) than an 8 year-old. Makes one re-think why one would worship something so stupid. "He's all-knowing, but not as smart as an 8 year-old....hmmmmmmm".

    Your argument is technically correct, but the real world is that people say to themselves "yes, if *I* had god's ability I'd do such and such, but why doesn't god do that?" Jesus can't do a dang thing about the doubt created by atheists, because he's as real as Zeus is.

    We don't argue the validity of Zeus today, and in a few decades Jesus/Mohammad will be in that same category. History is on the side of modern Secular Humanism.
     
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    "A longing in my heart" for a mass-murderer? You're kidding, right? "God" is one sick weirdo, so he's obviously not all-knowing, all-loving, and all-powerful.
    Charles Manson would be proud of "god's" atrocities: God's Top 50 Killings: http://dwindlinginunbelief.blogspot.com/2010/04/gods-top-50-killings-how-do-you-rate.html
    ...clearly "god" is a disgusting savage. His followers?....hopefully they can distinguish themselves from their #1 hero.

    Yes, YL, I'm too smart for talking donkeys, Santa's magic sleigh, and a talking invisible dead guy who will return to make everything ok and take me with him. I'm more secure, intellectually, than that.

    "Constant mocking and insulting from non-believers".....stop believing in a book that has UNICORNS in it 9 times and people will mock/insult you less. If I gave my kids a book with unicorns, and didn't clearly imply that it was FICTION, I would deserve to be mocked. A Costco store just put a "fiction" label on their Bibles, I read. (BTW, I don't want believers insulted, but rather mocked.)

    You apparently need an invisible friend....I've grown beyond that (Santa, then Jesus.) Try it, you'll like it.

    You do appear to be a very moral person, and I believe you do make an effort to not be offensive. I'm glad you're on this forum.

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    History will show that you're on the losing side, my friend. But there is an alternative.
     
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    The bible/quran clearly imply that we are His favorite entities on earth. They are wrong.
     
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    Jump to conclusions much? Oh, right, you do. I am an agnostic, so I can relate to both sides enough to argue either.

    Consider that 99% of all species to have existed are now extinct. Every living thing will eventually die. From the perspective of a timeless immortal, changing the timing of those inevitable deaths (by what may seem like an infinitesimal amount of time) could seem perfectly reasonable and efficacious.

    A question to ask, perhaps, but not an assertion to make. The question "what would a higher form of intelligence do?" is inherently unanswerable because we lack the intelligence (and information) to come to the same conclusions as a greater mind. This holds true whether we are talking about God, advanced aliens, or Terminator A.I.

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    Then who is his favorite, O wise one?
     
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    Interesting, I've never heard of that. Could you cite chapter and verse? You don't have to cite all nine times, two or three would suffice. Actually, one would work, if it's a good unambiguous one.
     
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    http://biblez.com/search.php?q=unicorn+OR+unicorns

    UNICORNS in 2013....clearly we are up against madness.
     
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    I agree, but you defend the indefensible parts of religion just almost as much as theists do.

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    Were you also aware that DRAGONS are in the Bible, as well? Yep, dragons. A lot of people probably aren't aware of that. Insanity.
     
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    No god has proven himself in world history (if he cared about us he would)....why be agnostic?....there is no god.
     
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    Extinction doesn't mean they die horrific deaths like in the flood, it can sometimes mean they just couldn't find a mate as the population neared zero, so no more reproduction took place eventually. They don't just all die in the prime of their life (when extinction occurs - unlike many in god's horrific and unfair "flood".)
    You seem to be APPROVING of, or at least running interference for, animal genocide. I believe you're more moral than that.
     
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    I looked through those verses, and in all of them, the word which is translated as unicorn in the King James is translated as "wild-ox" or "buffalo" in most other versions. Which makes me doubt that the authors of those passages meant unicorns at all.
     
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    Yep, and there were references to dragons on the maps too, and a lot later than when the bible was written. Makes you wonder if there weren't a few pterodactyls or pterodons left at that time.
     
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    Too bad we can't take them at their word, apparently. When the Bible says one thing, we have to assume it's something else.

    Or, maybe the translator knew that saying "unicorn" would reduce the credibility of their cult, so they just decided to change the wording, to be more user friendly, even though the original authors actually did believe in unicorns, hmmmmm? Too bad Jesus/god cares about so incredibly little that he steadfastly refused to clear all this up for us. He must hate us. If I had those abilities, I'd tell us, because I care more for humanity than Jesus/god does, obviously.
     
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    All deaths are horrific. The only difference here is that they occurred all at once instead of spread out. Hell, supposedly an asteroid caused the dinosaur extinction, and that is an "all of a sudden" extinction. So clearly extinctions can be sudden, and affect animals in their prime.

    Ever had roaches in your house and had to bomb? Did you feel just horrible committing genocide, or was their form of life so far beneath yours that you didn't lose any sleep from guilt? The difference between a supreme being and animals is even greater than the difference between man and insect.
     
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    No, the "flood's" death did not have to occur, as all that sick SOB had to do was forgive people for being so bad, and not kill the animals prematurely like that. He's a sick one, Jesus' dad.

    You clearly approve of many of the atrocities in the bible, I've seen, over your many posts.
     
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    OK, so I looked further at the site you cited, and it seems that the people who translated the word "unicorn" did leave some explanation.
    "King James Translators' Notes

    unicorns: or, rhinocerots"

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    Ah, yes, one big ass horn. It all makes sense now.

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    Dude, give up your trolling. I know that you just try to (*)(*)(*)(*) people off, but it's not gonna work on me, because I'm not a Christian.
     
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    There were certainly things flying around in people's heads when they sighted mermaids and
    dragons.

    "pterodon"
    means, "wing tooth" btw.

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    Funny, I see two horns. Did you count? :D
     
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    One is obviously prominent. Hell, the people who named it probably didn't even see the second horn as they were running for their lives.
     
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    Lame lame lane. I see two horns, so do you. If you have to make things up in order for the idea to hold together, its not worth much.

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    I count two horns
     
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    Unicorn is ram or re'eym or rem meaning a wild bull its conspicuousness.

    Ra'am means to rise or be lifted up.

    So, unless one knows what the author intends, we can't say much about it.

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