Gotta have a scorecard so's ya can tell the players... Shiite and Sunni: What are the differences? 15 Jan.`12 - Sectarian tensions are flaring in Iraq with the suicide bombing of a Shiite religious procession Saturday that killed at least 53 people and a ruling by an Iraqi court today that the country's Sunni vice president must stand trial in the capital. The procession was commemorating Arbaeen, one of the major holidays in the Shiite calendar. The festival comes at a time of stridently sectarian politics in Iraq, with the Shiite-led government of Nouri al-Maliki at loggerheads with the Sunni-backed minority in the parliament. We take a look at the differences – and similarities – between Sunni and Shiite below.
Funny thing is that being blissfully ignorant of our own tribal behaviors - and calling it religion instead to make us feel way above ourselves - is tribal behavior in itself.
I thought the main practical reason is that they emphasize differently on different texts and different thinkers. The Qu'ran is full stuff that can be interpreted in many ways, and people have to turn to teachers who are not necessarily as flawless as they believe the Qu'ran is.
Christianity still has Catholic and Protestant, not to mention the Gnostics and other schisms, as does Judaism. The tribes will out.
great thread. Remember the schism from egypt could be the exodus. Point is, often history is forgotton and replaced by the beliefs. All are brethren to nature. The tribes will out.: they left the garden.
More grounding: The US supports Sunnis, like Saddam, a CIA asset 1958, or UBL, a CIA asset 1988, or the King of Bahrain (US Navy 5th Fleet stationed). Saddam and the King of Bahrain wound up ruling Shiite majorities. Saddam and UBL didn't work out, since the US also supports Israel. Heard of THAT? THAT is the reason anyone at all tries to start a religious republic. Israel won't give automatic citizenship to anyone, but Jews. Iran allows synagogues and representation, for Jews, who live in Iran. A lot of Jews moved out, when the Shah fell, but there hasn't been a pogrom. Certainly, Iran didn't get out the bulldozers and wreck synagogues or homes, like Israel does, to Palestinians. The Russians and Chinese support Shiites, including the Alawite ruler of Syria, Bashar al-Assad. Sunnis are the majority, in Syria. The Russians and Chinese have had local trouble, with Sunnis, ever since Russia and Turkey got into beefs, back in the day, including WWI. China has a lot of Sunnis, in the west. The major powers are playing the Sunni-Shia split. What was the worst thing, to ever happen, to Muslims? Was it the split, or was it how Islam has influence, in a lot of societies, which can't do secular media, while all sorts of backwards bozo types do female chattel nonsense, including female circumcision?
The Sunnis are the people who follow those who poisoned Muhammed & Ali, and took over Islam turning it into Judaized Islam. Real Islam: [video=youtube;c9d_XvnWIVM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9d_XvnWIVM[/video]
Amazing, isn't it? 53 people were just killed by a suicide bomber because Muslims couldn't decide who should succeed Mohammad as their religious leader over 1400 years ago. It's somewhat comparable to the various Christian sectarian schisms, of course, such as whether to acknowledge the papacy and all that. Europe has had its centuries of bloodshed over this stupid stuff, but obviously they have mostly gotten passed that now. The Catholic-Protestant violence in Ireland in modern history might be viewed as an exception to that, but otherwise I'd say Christians have learned to get along with their heresy-spewing friends pretty well now. Obviously, the Muslim world has a bit farther to go in order to get beyond such barbarism. They still dominate national governments the way the Christians used to do in the Western world, though, and are still quite fundamentalist and absolutist in their religious views. I think one thing driving them to do this is the nature of the religion itself, which is more political in its aims, as it seeks to establish Islamic control over the world in a way to which Christianity has only aspired when bent to that purpose by European conquerors. The Bible doesn't call for Christian rule over the world, however. That religion is better at separating the secular from the divine, telling its adherents to wait for the Second Coming and the Judgment. Islam wants religious rule NOW.
The US has shamelessly partnered with dictators in order to further certain economic and political aims, and still does so in some cases. China is freaking Communist, yet we're their bestest buddy thanks to their buying our debt, making all of our crap good cheaply and, basically, keeping us afloat.
personally i think it was satan and not the angel Gabriel that appeared to Muhammad. would make sense.
I have come here to recount the story of Khaybar onece again, in order to gain from it the knowledge sought by the universe. I have come from afar. I have come from tormorrow, from future centuries. I have come to pick a flower of truth of what happened at Khaybar for the people of tomorrow. Here the Judaizers built 7 strong fortresses, and there they organized their rebellions against the Muslims. I am now inside Khaybar. I have come here to see the truth, to believe in it, and to take one flame of truth in order to illuminate my generation. The siege on the last fortress of Khaybar has continued a long tome, and the Muslims have not come any closer to taking over it. The Prophet gathered them and said, Otherwise, from this strong fortess, these infidels will devise plots to destroy the truth, and ignite the fire of strife. This is Khaybar. Someone must destroy this impregnable fortress – but who is that someone? Nascent Islam has yet to gather many followers. Nevertheless, the people of Mecca and Khaybar collaborate in planning riots and strife among the Muslims. The Prophet has come to extinguish the strife of the people of Khaybar. But the battle cries of the people of Khaybar struck fear in the hearts of the small army of Islam. It seems as if this fortress considers only Ali to be worthy of opening its gates. This fortress has stood proudly for meny years, waiting to fall only at the hand of Ali. Ali told Khaybar that "a Muslim who does not honor Moses is not a true Muslim", and "Your Moses is our Moses." They replied, "No they are different!" and resumed the battle. Eventually, the last unconquered Khaybar fortress was taken. The great Prophet always gave the people of Khaybar a chance, except at times when they shut the door on compromise with their continuous treachery and scheming. The events of Khaybar serve as a sacred lesson to those who doubt the distinction between truth and falsehood. From Iranian TV Series ’40 SOLDIERS’, THE BATTLE OF KHYABAR English subtitles [video=youtube;tXScDocR_ME]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tXScDocR_ME&feature=related[/video]
Satan spent time with Jesus so it's feasible that he also spent time with Mohammed. Throw in all of the other characters and you have a winner.
The US is an organized crime center, ruled by cartels, which include bureaucrats, which enforce law, unevenly, at great cost. The US and UK outcomes are one reason Marx and Engels wrote a manifesto. Crime pays, in the US and UK. China allows free enterprise, the Chinese economy is only starting to wake up, and already, they own a couple of trillion, of US debt, since the US runs on a bubble, not on value or productive values. The US supported the bloody Chiang takeover, on Taiwan, so the CIA overflew China, from Tibet and Taiwan, with B-24 Liberators, in 1948, BEFORE the Black Cat Squadron missions, during the Korean War. MacArthur stated South Korea was outside US protection, to incite North Korea, to attack, which they did, Spring 1950. The US and UN forces moved the North Koreans, back toward the Yalu. USAF or Navy or somebody may have flown over that Yalu, while nobody warned the UN forces, of a Chinese buildup, Summer 1950. The result was the Chinese drove the UN forces back across the 38th Parallel, and the fighting continued, until a cease-fire, in 1953. The US likes war, dude! The US has a military-industrial complex, which Ike identified. Crime PAYS, and it has a carbon footprint. Greedy criminals made children, with stupid criminals, so nobody busts the really, REALLY GUILTY PERPS, in the US or UK hegemonic structures. But the US has a scam, whereby 5% of the world's population funds 25%, of the world's prisoners AND an international drug war. The coral record shows any time CO2 concentration increased, PARTLY as fast as it is rising, today, a mass extinction happened. We will lose the corruption AND its carbon footprint, get the prison industry out of the way, of using hemp, as a resource, and we wil re-green deserts and polluted areas, or we will flat-out die out, in the course, of Mass Extinction Event 6. The US will start all this re-greening, or we won't be helping BRICS nations get out from under OPEC or Russia, which export oil, and we don't see M.E.E.6 media, on Russia Today News, often enough. Saudi Arabia just had a 109 F reading, during rainfall, the hottest ever temp, during precip. Women have to wear hoodies, but do Wahabis move, for re-greening? We re-green, or we die out. No two ways!
We need to stess Islamic unity, especially in today's time. We are all Muslims and more religious and political leaders need to put in more effort to end the tension between Sunni and Shia Muslims. This divide, and the violence that results from it is against Islam. The Ummah is weak because of the division and will only get stronger when Sunni and Shia come together. If you think about it, this is an issue derived from politics. Dating to the death of Muhammad (pbuh) and fueled today through politics.
By "we" I mean Muslims. It is our responsibility to unite the religion. Even if it is against the wishes of some Muslims and/or other groups of people. Mostly Wahhabi's. They despise the other sects. We have our brothers and sisters suffering in Palestine, Burma, Kashmir, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Yemen, Somalia. But little is being done by Muslims to help. The Sunni-Shia card is an invaluable tool for Western countries to pursue their interests in the region. Which happens to be domination/control. And the Wahhabi's of al-Saud are beneficiaries also. The worst thing for Western powers is a united Islam. A united Ummah. We need more advocates.
On St. Bartholomew Day in 1572 Catholics killed 6000 Protestants. Nothing better than christians to prove how it's done.
Kaybar is an oasis in a valley. http://www.virtualtourist.com/trave...inah/Khaybar-1806839/TravelGuide-Khaybar.html
