You Who Choose Permanent Death. Why Do You Do That?

You Who Choose Permanent Death. Why Do You Do That?
By JAG
September 30, 2021

Death takes away all your enjoyments, for example eating
good tasting food.

You're now alive and you enjoy good tasting food. Why you
wanna give that up? You ever ate a meal and said, "Wow,
that was very good. I really enjoyed that. That was truly
good tasting food." You don't want to forever say goodbye
to that. You want to keep on saying that, after meals, forever
and ever.

But in order to forever keep on saying that after meals you
must have the gift of Eternal Life. The Lord Jesus made a
way for you to forever keep on enjoying eating good tasting
foods ~ John 3:16's "eternal life." (Yes we will eat foods in
Heaven ~ keep on reading.)

For God so loved the world that He gave His one and only
Son that whoever believes in Him shall never cease eating
good tasting food but will continue to enjoy good tasting food
forever and ever. After your present physical body dies, you
can still live on and on, to enjoy your favorite foods galore.

Jesus ate food in His resurrection body and so can you.

"When he had said this, he showed them his hands and feet.
And while they still did not believe it because of joy and
amazement, he asked them, “Do you have anything here
to eat?” They gave him a piece of broiled fish, and he
took it and ate it in their presence." Luke 24:4041

"He [Jesus] was not seen by all the people, but by witnesses
whom God had already chosen — by us who ate and drank
with him after he rose from the dead." Acts 10:40-41

"When they landed, they saw a fire of burning coals there with
fish on it, and some bread. Jesus said to them, “Bring some of
the fish you have just caught.” So Simon Peter climbed back
into the boat and dragged the net ashore. It was full of large
fish, 153, but even with so many the net was not torn. 12Jesus
said to them, “Come and have breakfast.” None of the disciples
dared ask him, “Who are you?” They knew it was the Lord.
Jesus came, took the bread and gave it to them, and did the
same with the fish. This was now the third time Jesus
appeared to his disciples after he was raised from the dead."
John 21:9-15

Thoughts?

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Jesus ate food in His resurrection body and so can you.

"When he had said this, he showed them his hands and feet.
And while they still did not believe it because of joy and
amazement, he asked them, “Do you have anything here
to eat?” They gave him a piece of broiled fish, and he
took it and ate it in their presence." Luke 24:4041

"He [Jesus] was not seen by all the people, but by witnesses
whom God had already chosen — by us who ate and drank
with him after he rose from the dead." Acts 10:40-41

"When they landed, they saw a fire of burning coals there with
fish on it, and some bread. Jesus said to them, “Bring some of
the fish you have just caught.” So Simon Peter climbed back
into the boat and dragged the net ashore. It was full of large
fish, 153, but even with so many the net was not torn. Jesus
said to them, “Come and have breakfast.” None of the disciples
dared ask him, “Who are you?” They knew it was the Lord.
Jesus came, took the bread and gave it to them, and did the
same with the fish. This was now the third time Jesus
appeared to his disciples after he was raised from the dead."
John 21:9-15

JAG

 

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You Can Enjoy Eating Good Tasting Foods Forever and
Ever. Thank you, Lord Jesus.
"Just as Moses lifted up the snake in the wilderness, so the Son of Man must be lifted up,
that everyone who believes may have eternal life in him.” For God so loved the world that
he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal
life. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world
through him. Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands
condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son."
John 3:14-18



JAG

 

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Unless we are under God's grace, none of us are saved.

As you posted... it is a "gift" ... a gift from God.

As Paul says in Ephesians 2:8-9... For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast.

In the Bible, Paul has a lot to say about this subject... because "Saul" was an enemy of Christ and Christians until God used a vision to convert Saul to Paul.

As Paul says in Romans 1... And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a debased mind to do what ought not to be done. It's important to read all related verses in Romans 1.

As Paul says in Romans 8... For the mind that is set on the flesh is hostile to God, for it does not submit to God's law; indeed, it cannot. Those who are in the flesh cannot please God.

As Paul says in 1 Corinthians 1:18... For the word of the cross is folly to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.

As Paul also says in 2 Thessalonians 2:11-12... Therefore God sends them a strong delusion, so that they may believe what is false, in order that all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

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It's a nonsensical question. Why do you choose to go to Tartarus for rejecting the Olympian gods?

 

Good thoughts.
Thanks for your comments and for your contribution to the thread.

Best Regards.

JAG

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Easy, I can't choose to believe something just because I want to, and evidence is lacking. And furthermore, the whole Christian system makes no sense internally. If there's an afterlife, somebody else is correct about it, or nobody.

 

that light at the end of the tunnel is the doorway to rebirth, it attracts you like a moth to a flame

to break the cycle of life and death is simple... avoid the light... avoid the rebirth

 

We have two different SAY's here.
There is what you say. (Its up there)
Thee is what God says. (Its down below)

"Just as Moses lifted up the snake in the wilderness, so the Son of Man must be lifted up,
that everyone who believes may have eternal life in him.”

For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes
in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world
through him.

Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands
condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one
and only Son.

This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but people loved darkness instead
of light because their deeds were evil. Everyone who does evil hates the light,
and will not come into the light for fear that their deeds will be exposed. But
whoever lives by the truth comes into the light, so that it may be seen plainly
that what they have done has been done in the sight of God."
John 3:14-21

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John 3:14-21 is the major core summation of the Christian salvation message.
In this message God clearly says that YOU CAN CHOOSE (you say you can't)
And God will judge you based on what He says, not what you claim.

John 3:16 (up there) offers your 2 simple choices:
(1) believe in Jesus as your Savior and get eternal life
(2) refuse to believe and perish

You will in fact choose either (1) or (2).

best Regards.

JAG

 

I get that's what Christians say, and I get that's what their bible says. The question then becomes why they believe the bible, which contradicts itself a lot and is clearly of a non-divine voice. And why they think this system makes any sense at all. Why would god create people as imperfect, and then be so offended by his own creation that he must become a human and die horribly so that humans who believe (without much evidence) that he did this will be forgiven. It's just silly, frankly. Toddler level maturity.

That doesn't make any sense either. Most people aren't non-Christian out of some guilt for something they did - quite the opposite frankly if you look at prisons where faith flourishes. I don't "love darkness" either there really isn't anything sinful I still intend to do. Quite the opposite I would prefer to believe in life after death even if it wasn't for me. I'd be thrilled if Christians were right and some people got to have some kind of happiness after death. I just don't think they're right.

Definitely cannot choose to believe in something that makes no sense, has insufficient evidence, etc. even if it would be better to believe it in terms of peace of mind than what I have now.

It doesn't feel like a choice at all, other than the choice to keep looking for answers even if they are unlikely to be found. I can't choose to be Christian just because I want to be any more than I can choose to be gay. But Christians seem to think you can choose that too.

 

My thoughts. You should constantly chant Hare Krishna. Don't be reborn in the material world as an animal or a poor and/or diseased human.

 

The obvious thing to say to this OP is that what we prefer isn’t necessarily what is available. And if we don’t believe in his imaginary afterlife... this isn’t a choice.

But I would also say that living forever may not be as wonderful as we may imagine. I think after a few millennia you may get bored. And I think the fact that life is temporary makes it that much more valuable to us.

 

I read what you wrote. I read it carefully.
I think you write reasonable posts (from your point of view)
and I think you have a good tone in your posts ~ not insulting
like many atheists.
I'll be back later to answer some of your points.

Best Regards.

JAG

PS
Meanwhile peck around on this site for a few minutes:
Defending Biblical Christianity | Reasonable Faith
And see if you think this site qualifies as "toddler level maturity"?
William Lane Craig is one of Christendom's top Christian apologists.
Take a look at his education history. Its impressive.
William Lane Craig - Wikipedia

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LU: I get that's what Christians say, and I get that's what their bible says. The question then becomes why they believe the bible, which contradicts itself a lot and is clearly of a non-divine voice. And why they think this system makes any sense at all. Why would god create people as imperfect, and then be so offended by his own creation that he must become a human and die horribly so that humans who believe (without much evidence) that he did this will be forgiven. It's just silly, frankly. Toddler level maturity.

C: God did not create Adam and Eve as imperfect people. He first created them as perfect beings without death or sin. By their choice with partaking of the tree of knowledge, they fell and became subject to death and imperfections. So did the rest of living organisms and animals. Their DNA was changed to multiply and replenish the earth imperfectly with mutations. The goal of God is to bring to pass the immortality and eternal life of Mankind. To get us back to where we started, perfect. The Bible says that only those who have descended from heaven can be ascended back into heaven, even the Son of Man, Jesus Christ. We were spirit children of our Heavenly Father and descended from Heaven into our physical bodies sometime before our birth. Our goal in our imperfect bodies is to learn to morally control our bodies regardless of the imperfections of the body like homosexuality, which could be physical or mental through physical abuse. In order for the resurrection and ascension back into Heaven again the method had to be demonstrated to us by the only one who could do it Himself, Jesus Christ. He came down known as Jehovah and received His body as Jesus Christ. He had to atone for our sins so our sins could be washed away and we can receive a perfected body in the eternal worlds. Evidence is not needed for the believers in Christ.

LU: That doesn't make any sense either. Most people aren't non-Christian out of some guilt for something they did - quite the opposite frankly if you look at prisons where faith flourishes. I don't "love darkness" either there really isn't anything sinful I still intend to do. Quite the opposite I would prefer to believe in life after death even if it wasn't for me. I'd be thrilled if Christians were right and some people got to have some kind of happiness after death. I just don't think they're right.

C: Actually, they are. Those who were Christian and fell away do so to get rid of the guilty state they feel. Deny Christ and all that is true means you can live with your sins and keep on sinning. It's a way to suppress guilt. Just say it doesn't exist. Like homosexual deviants do with their reprobate minds. Pretend God doesn't exist. You don't think they are right. You don't know is what you are saying and instead of taking James method of knowing, you'd rather turn to scientists who are imperfect.

LU: Definitely cannot choose to believe in something that makes no sense, has insufficient evidence, etc. even if it would be better to believe it in terms of peace of mind than what I have now.

C: I choose to believe without empirical knowledge. I utilize faith, study, true logic and reasoning and doing so know that God lives and Jesus is the Christ. It's possible if you don't limit yourself to just empirical methods of learning.

LU: It doesn't feel like a choice at all, other than the choice to keep looking for answers even if they are unlikely to be found. I can't choose to be Christian just because I want to be any more than I can choose to be gay. But Christians seem to think you can choose that too.

C: Sure you can choose to be gay. You can choose to follow Christ in faith as well. It's easy if you try. Same-sex attraction people can choose to participate in sexual acts with same sex people or stay celibate. Heck, I know gays who are married to women of the opposite sex and lesbians married to men of the opposite sex. I know men and woman who stay virgins until married to people of the opposite sex keeping the commandments. It's all about choice and specifically choosing the right. We have free moral agency.

 

Interesting story - but not what Genesis says. Adam and Ever were by no means created perfect - if that was they case they would not have sinned - would have made the right choice instead of the wrong choice .. so this claim makes no sense.

Adam and Eve is allegory - not meant to be taken literally - and given you don't know who one of the main characters is in the story - is unlikely you will understand the story.

If we do take the story literally - We have God throwing A/E into the ring with a divine being - A/E are full of Trust - not knowing of evil - no way they will be able to outwit the Serpent. You going to try to claim that God did not know the outcome prior to the battle in this rigged game ? ... didn't think so..

God then punishes A/E for failing the unwinnable contest he set before them - and you can make of that what you wish.

What the Israelites believed the story said -- was something completely different - and the version of the story different - but that is another matter.

We know who the Serpent is in the Story - Everyone in the near east knows who the Serpent is - at the time of the Israelites and Abraham .. in the cosmic battle between Chaos and Order.

The story of A/E is a representation of the cosmic battle between Tiamat - the Serpent - God of the primordial sea - Chaos - the separation of light from dark - and so many other things that one needs to know to understand the story. God is one of the High Gods of the Sumerian Pantheon .. Anu or El - or perhaps an analogy for the group of Gods who fight against Tiamat .. the US in the "Like us" "in our image" who formed man out of Clay/ "Earth"/ Earthling and part God. - who upon formation was put to toil the earth - as stated in Genesis.

 

Assuming it is true, isn't the only way to avoid rebirth to become completely enlightened?

 

Will we have sec in the afterlife?

And who with? If it's TayTay will we hook up sometime in Far Eternity
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or is it truly "Never, ever, ever?"

 

Death is what gives our lives meaning

Captain JeanLuc Picard

 

Even that won't help if you become a Bodhisattva. For then you refuse to leave the cycle until you have brought all humanity to Enlightenment as well

 

I'm a subscriber!

 

or maybe even partially, just avoiding the light may be enough, but the desire may just be too great for more

 

I appreciate your efforts, as well as the Truth. Something I have learned in my later years," no one comes to the Father unless he is drawn by the Spirit". Sow seeds but the burden is not ours.

 

They were created in the image of God and in that they were given sovereign choice. To demand perfection of that choice would have been creating robots. God did not do that. He created human flesh for the purpose of relationship. That is what is so important for followers of Christ to grasp!

 

I will buy that .. all have a little of the the God -Spark in us. - ditto on the Robot - xnay on the relationship -

 

It is what Genesis says. They did not sin. They transgressed the law which is not sinning. So, what happened exactly? A/E were given two choices to make. Stay in the Garden and don't multiply and replenish the earth with humans or eat the fruit and have their bodies changed from immortality to mortality? They broke one in order to keep the other. They made the best choice, not the better choice and transgressed so they could multiply and replenish the earth with children.

As far as Satan's (Lucifer) roll, was to get A/E to become mortal so that he could kill A/E and destroy Heavenly Father's plan of Salvation for his spirit children. By the way, to understand this you have to not take Genesis out of context with the entire Bible OT and NT. That's why I put in that statement from the NT that all who will ascend back to heaven had to first descent from heaven. Even Jesus Christ had to. He came down as Jehovah and took on his body and became known as Jesus Christ. We had names in the pre-earth life from where we descended with spirit bodies as Jehovah did and now have our earthly given names. The Bible says our Father knew us before we were born. What he didn't realize is that by opening Eve's eyes, he furthered the Father's work by getting all his spirit children to earth to receive a physical body which is needed to exaltation in the resurrection. So, Satan and his fallen angel army spoken about in Revelations are here to do as you wrote, cause chaos and destruction in the world and break up the order of God.

The question about Adam and Eve is whether they have belly buttons or not. The representation about them in Genesis is not what actually took place. We all are from the atoms of this earth as was Adam and Eve. How that happened is not explained in the Bible and has not been revealed to this time. But, Adam and Eve had belly buttons.