Young earth vs old earth theory?

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Do you believe in a young earth or old earth theory?

  1. Old earth... up to five billion or so years old.

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  2. A somewhat old earth... perhaps tens or hundreds of thousands of years old

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  3. A relatively young earth.... less than twenty thousand years old

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  4. I believe that the earth is roughly seven thousand years old.

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  1. DennisTate

    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I really like the idea of an old earth.....
    that was wrecked by the rebellion of Lucifer and a third of the angels..... and then
    Genesis chapter one goes into a seven day restoration of the earth that may already have existed for millions....... or perhaps even for five billion or more years before the events of Genesis chapter one.

    What was shown to Dr. Richard Eby is above my own personal Security Clearance Level with Messiah Yeshua - Jesus so there is no way that I could rule out the Dr. Richard Eby testimony on this topic.


    https://www.near-death.com/science/articles/richard-eby-and-secomd-coming-of-christ.html#a03
    (Near death experiencer Dr. Richard Eby) :

     
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    Time isn't normal in the Bible and certainly doesn't apply to God so I see no reason not to follow the science.

    It's not really difficult to date stuff anymore at least in a general sense.
     
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    Young Earth Creationists are stupid people whom I have no respect for.
     
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    Ya, ummm no. False prophecy. Special clearance level is funny. I've heard different theories on the creation or organization of the earth. But, none are actual doctrine except that which is in the scriptures including the Bible and the Pearl of Great Price. The question on time is how long was Adam and Eve in the Garden? a few years or millions of year? I'm going with a few years to learn all that he and Eve had to learn. So, the earth is then somewhere around 14,000 years old. Have you looked at a couple of the young earth websites like www.icr.org? They and others have considerable amount of PhD scientists from MIT, Harvard and other well known universities who take the same information secular scientists do but show how secular science can't answer some basic question including the big bang guess.
     
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    Same thing for Flat Earthers. I find them like 50 times as stupid as Young Earth Creationists.
     
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  6. DennisTate

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    I only looked at that type of information a little bit over these past two decades.......
    I would love it if you could prove me wrong and give powerful evidence here that the earth is only about fourteen thousand years old.

    That is an interesting topic.... and I did begin at least one discussion here that I believe gives some material that would be relevant to the case for this.


    Did museums ever destroy skeletons of giants?


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    The Bible says there were giant people like Goliath. That doesn't mean that the earth in its current form had a history of humans before Adam and Eve. The scriptures are exact on this. The universe came into existence in 7 days. The Godhead rested on the 7th day. Latter-day doctrine does teach that the earth was formed by unorganized matter. Doctrine also suggests that the earth is not the only place where Father in Heaven sent his spirit children to. Their are other worlds in this universe. So, perhaps these giant bones were from other worlds or their matter with giant bones on them. Who knows. It's not important to our salvation and exaltation. Unless it distracts us from our real needs for salvation and exaltation including the Priesthood Ordinances.

    Careful about pictures as they can be easily manipulated and we know Hollywood is real good with props.
     
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    Im curious,
    Do you believe the OPs "verbatim" accounts of your lord and savior thoughts?



    Do you really consider this photographic "evidence": at all credible?
     
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    They don't have to be. A lot of them got brainwashed when they were young.
     
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    Yes... and I think that this photographic evidence fits with Genesis chapter six.....
    as well as with the explanation for the Nephilim given to a near death experiencer......

    .....

     
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    The profundity of extreme faith is beyond my ken, no matter how hard I try to "walk a mile"

    Peace be upon you.
     
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    Actually, young earth scientists started out secularists and old earth believers. They received their PhD's at MIT and many elite universities around the world. It was only after many theories of old earth didn't really pan out that they became real scientists and began to question the elites in science. So, you are wrong characterizing young earth scientists that they were ever brainwashed and was done when they were young. Your ignorance on this subject is the way of today's bigot hating of religion.
     
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    We should also realize this is another example of evidence that really isn't evidence. Where are the bones? There must be other sites that can still be dug up with giant bones as well. Where are they since the 1899's? There are American Indian myths that talk about giants. And, there are myths that suggest the Three Nephites actually existed as well. The Seminal indians have this myth.
     
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    Young earth believers must reject whole scientific disciplines like nuclear physics, cosmology, chemistry, geology, paleontology. Theyor must turn the backs on proven scientific laws and theories in order to construct a specious defense their faith based spiritual beliefs.
     
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    yes a MYTH isnt evidence but it is useful suggesting validity of nonsensical "here be giants" claims.
     
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    :blushes: ~ Planet Earth is as old as the universe - however old that is - and it speaks to us in multiple languages . `:pray:´
     
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    Hmm..the solar system is about 4.5billion years old, while the universe is around 13billion years old. It doesn't speak any language.
     
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    :earth: ~ You are not listening ...:aww:
     
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    You are not understanding.
     
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    :blushes: ~ Does anybody ? ( besides you of course )
     
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    Genesis 1, Young's Literal Translation

    1 In the beginning of God's preparing the heavens and the earth --

    2 the earth hath existed waste and void, and darkness [is] on the face of the deep, and the Spirit of God fluttering on the face of the waters,

    3 and God saith, `Let light be;' and light is.

    According to the literal translation, direct from ancient Hebrew to modern English, God didn't necessarily create the earth, but rather 'prepared' it. Maybe it already existed, maybe He created it earlier. But when the Creation story begins, it not only already exists, but already has water (though apparently not light...? -did God actually create light, or did He create something for it to interact with, prior to which it was not observable due to the lack of an observer?).
     
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    If you are speaking about scientific theories, then only one thing needs to be said: Young Earth theory has been shown to be false.
     
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    ~ We all evolved from fish. My neighbor resembles the Sardine family. :trout::fishing:
     
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    And there is so much overwhelming evidence to the contrary that as an adult, if they continue to spout this nonsense after being taught correctly, they are stupid.
     
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    No they don't have to do any of that. You obviously don't know a thing about science, nuclear physics, chemistry... Geology is not science anyways. It's all guess work. It's about interpretation of the science. To interpret, you have to have a base belief. Either it's old earth or young earth. Then, you test the science and see where it fits. With old earth geologists and likewise studies, you cannot even entertain the idea of Genesis being true. Or any part of it. With young earth, you test old earth theories with the science and information from the science and see if it fits. The more and more old earth geologists work on this the more and more their old earth and universe fall apart. You're really clueless. Again, young earth scientists are nuclear physicists, chemists, geologists, paleontologists, biologists and so on from top universities around the world. Where did you get your science degree from?
     

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